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Feeling more than a bit "lost" with SONY
« on: February 07, 2016, 07:07:23 PM »
I recently made a big commitment and bought the A7Rii and a couple of FE/E mount lenses: 55 f1.8 and 28 f2 (with the convertor to make it a 21 f2.8). I also got the LA-EA4 and now, feeling I should have gone for the LA-EA3, I'm waiting on the LA-EA3 arriving so I can try my Minolta/Tamron/Sigma & Sony glass with both - not having been as happy as I expected I'd be with the #4 and some of the results I've had. I finally went for the A7Rii because of the IBIS and some of the problems I have with hand holding the A77/A77ii since the trapieziectomy ops I had and still looking at this camera gear as a 'project in progress' to get my mojo back for taking/making photos.

I've had some sharp shots and also some damn awful ones as well with different lenses...

I've been looking at the other native FE glass and holding back because it seemed most likely that Sony would bring out some faster glass at some point - and more expensive 'though hoping not 'too' expensive... because of the 'newer' more advanced technology of the cameras/sensors etc., and the glass needing to be able to make use of it with better/newer optics that the existing older optics. Now there's the news of three lenses; 85 1.4, 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 plus two convertors (for the 70-200 f2.8) with no prices given and 'release dates' around May 2016 - but nothing bigger than 200mm. I can't say I'm over impressed so far with Sony...

Ascot (Charles) mentioned the CZ FE 24-70 f4 (£799 at WEX in the UK) but I've read/watched reviews that say it isn't 'that good' a lens. I can't speak from personal experience so have to some degree go of what I read/see. Some of the other glass also doesn't get good enough reviews so I'm in a bad place at the moment on what I do about glass. Go 'Native' FE and sell the old A mount glass, stay and use some of my existing and try to add 'choice' FE mount, sell existing and go for a metabones adaptor and go Canon/Sony E mount (or other mount adaptors?) because of the good reviews/reports of using Canon etc., glass on the A7Rii...

OR even just go away from Sony altogether because of all the seemingly endless 'half-fullfilled' camera ranges they keep bringing out or keep "updating" instead of what is a finished item: A850/A900/A99/A700/A77/A77ii/NEX range plus all the other previous short lived models etc., and now the 6000/6300 - in such short periods of time! I really am at a loss with Sony.

And I apologise for what is just me ranting on, venting my spleen here :-)
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Re: Feeling more than a bit "lost" with SONY
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2016, 07:39:33 PM »
 Which A mount lenses do you have?
What lenses (focal lengths) are you after?
I have the CZ16-35mm, CZ24-70mm, 70-300mmG and 70-400mmG all of which work perfectly well and focus more than fast enough for my needs using the LA-EA3 adapter. Only with 3 axis stabilisation. I also don't mind using the adapter as it saves many thousands  buying new lenses and the basic one has no (light stealing :lol:) mirror.
 Provided the lenses you have are 'ssm' or equivalent from other manufacturers they should focus fine with the more basic adapter. Screw driven lenses such as my 50mmƒ1.4 and CZ85mm ƒ1.4 are strictly manual focus with the LA-EA3 and require the LA-EA4 to AF.
 I do however agree with what you are saying about their half fulfilled camera ranges and the sheer uncertainty of where they are going.
 I have just recently bought the FE70-200G ƒ4 which is currently my only native lens and with the 5 axis stabilisation i have been able to get acceptably sharp shots at 200m as low as 1/20s handheld though far from ideal. Next on my list is either the 55mm ƒ1.8 or the Loxia 21mm ƒ2.8
 The price of the new stuff is getting very silly and aimed at pro's earning a living from their photography, even then it could be hard to justify the cost.

I'm sticking with Sony due to the amount i have invested and i do like the tech they are developing and sensors they are producing although some stability and commitment to their existing customers would be very welcome.

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Re: Feeling more than a bit "lost" with SONY
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2016, 08:46:08 PM »
I'll have to get back to you with a full list of what I have Chris.

The LA_EA4 has worked with AF on most - only a couple haven't: like the Minolta 28-105 ZOOM Xi 3.5-4.5. Of course they are limited with the number of focus points available... Came across a web site a week or 10 days ago by Brian Smith which had a list of which lenses worked best with which adaptor which was very informative:

http://briansmith.com/sony-a-mount-lens-sony-a7rii-guide/

I'd like a longer reach lens - like the Tamron?Sigma? 150-600 F5-6.3... maybe - neither done in the EF mount and only in the 'A' mount in the Tamron from what I can find. Plenty on YouTube about them. I have the Sony 70-400 G 4-5.6 Mk 1 and the 70-300 4.5-5.6... along with a 'heavy' Sigma 135-400 4.5-5.6 APO. The Sony 70-400 has given some very sharp images with the LA-EA4.

List to follow tomorrow evening when I can go through all of them :)
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Re: Feeling more than a bit "lost" with SONY
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2016, 09:50:46 PM »
 This Guy uses the A7RII and the Sigma 150-600 amongst many other stuff.
http://www.donsmithphotography.com/My-Gear
If you check out his blog most of the images in there have camera, lens and exif data included.
He is a Sony Artisan of Imagery.

May give you an idea of what the lens is capable of, also the 24-70 ƒ4.

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Re: Feeling more than a bit "lost" with SONY
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2016, 09:12:59 AM »
This Guy uses the A7RII and the Sigma 150-600 amongst many other stuff.
http://www.donsmithphotography.com/My-Gear
If you check out his blog most of the images in there have camera, lens and exif data included.
He is a Sony Artisan of Imagery.

May give you an idea of what the lens is capable of, also the 24-70 ƒ4.

Thanks Chris... I'll check the link out later tonight.

I've seen images from the Tamron and also both Sigma 150-600 - the 'C' and the 'S' via YouTube on other camera bodies but not, I don't think, on the A7Rii so I'll look forward to looking at the page :)
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Re: Feeling more than a bit "lost" with SONY
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2016, 09:22:18 AM »
I couldn't have said it better than Chris just did. He's right on.

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Hi Charles

I had the first trapieziectomy to my right hand/thumb in June 2013 and then had the left one done in January 2015 - - - in 2009 I had a 'tri fibro cartlidge complex' (TFCC) repair operation to my left wrist so I've lost some strength to these areas. Hope to build it back but I don't have much muscle so... ever hopeful.

Encouraging that you feel I went the right way upgrading to the A7Rii because of the IBIS etc., - thanks :)

I guess a problem with the internet is there is a lot of information - and 'mis-information' available and it can all become a bog to try and wade through it all. I'm grateful for your input regarding the link I put for the Brian Smith blog/guide for Sony lenses and the adaptors. All worth attending to :) Thanks :)
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Re: Feeling more than a bit "lost" with SONY
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2016, 09:32:50 AM »
Which A mount lenses do you have?
What lenses (focal lengths) are you after?


Here's the list:

Minolta:
50mm f1.7, 70-210 f4, 500 f8 Mirror, 100 f2.8, 135 2.8 AF maxxum

Tamron:
15-50 f2.8, 11-18 f4.5-5.6

Sigma:
85 f1.4 EX DG, the 105 f2.8 & 135-400 f4.5-5.6 APO (heavy)

and Sony:
16-50 DT f2.8, DT 55-200 f4-5.6, 70-300 G f4.5-5.6, 70-400 G (Mk1) f4-5.6, DT 30 f2.8

and for the A7Rii E/FE mount: the 28 f2, 55 f1.8 and the convertor for the 28 to make it a 21mm f2.8.

I want to reduce the amount of glass I have and just get/have ones that will give me coverage with very little overlap - accepting the difference regarding any Prime glass I keep or replace :)
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