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Offline argodion

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7D vs 5D
« on: February 28, 2006, 09:24:24 AM »
My camera is Konica Minolta Dynax 5D.
Last month, I wanted to upgrade to 9D (because of the rumour).
So I wait until PMA, and I hoped that Sony will announce something about 9D, but that didn't happen.
Yesterday I was offered by my Friend, Dynax 7D.
Only $200, and I can change my 5D to 7D, so cheap.
My question is, why Should I change my 5D to 7D ??
If only becuse of the build quality, Pc Sync, and Battery Grip, it's a waste of money.
Is there any more significant difference between these two cameras ?

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Re: 7D vs 5D
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2006, 09:55:41 AM »
the official take over isn't until 1st APR 06 so I would wait and see what happens. My guess is that because of legal stuff they cant say anything till then. Although the 7D is a great camera if you want one.

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Re: 7D vs 5D
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2006, 01:45:35 PM »
Let me ask this... Why did you buy the 5D if you wanted the 9D? They aren't even in the same playing field and one would assume you might need some features that are typically on a 9 level camera. In that case the 7D is a good second choice (although the digital 7 isn't as good as the film 7), the specs are usually close to a 9. The 5D wouldn't even make a good backup camera. (not that it's not a good camera but it's not a good replacement for a 9)

 Also, do you realize that a 9D level camera would probably be well over $3000US!? I am just guessing of course, but "Digital" SLR's are running almost twice the price (and sometimes more) than their "Film" cousins and both of my 9 series film cameras were over $2000US. Are you really prepared to spend over $3-4K US on a camera body? Keep that in mind, the 7D might be as close as you get for a while.

Since the cameras are virtually identical image-wise, I wouldn't hesitate to take the 7D over a 5D any day. It's a superb handling camera and has many more features than the 5, which is why it costs more. Buy it!
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Re: 7D vs 5D
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2006, 03:37:52 PM »
For $200 that 7D is a bargain. Get it, as long as the CCD is okay and everything.

The differences between the 7D and 5D are subtle. Often the 5D seems better, more modern, but in the end it's not as good. It lacks a second control wheel, the lcd is inferior, there's no Af/Mf quick-change button, the viewfinder is smaller, changing metering is slow and awkward... etc. Great camera, still.

The 7D isn't as polished as the 5D and lacks a black and white mode and WB bracketing, but is better in the end for me. This comes from someone who owns both.

If you want a 9D you might have to wait. Or maybe there'll be one this summer, I dunno. A Nikon D200 sounds right up your street, but at the moment it's waaaay overpriced. Get the 7D and wait a while? See what happens? That's what I'm doing, just chilling out, giving Sony some time. I can get a D200 cheaper next year if Sony don't answer my prayers.

Hope that helps. if you have any specific question on 7D functions, just ask here, or PM me, I'll be happy to give a few answers.
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Re: 7D vs 5D
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2006, 04:13:05 PM »
Those cameras are marketed to different people. I would NEVER use WB bracketing or B&W mode, I shoot RAW! Those are both a waste of resources and unnecessary clutter in the menu system "to me". It's far too easy to do both things in post with greater quality results and it's faster to just set the proper WB than it is to bracket it. I want easy access to manual exposure controls and a PC socket for studio flash. Where the 7D really falls down is the 1/4000 top shutter speed and an unsealed body. Otherwise it (7D) is comparable to the D100. If Minolta updated it, it would probably be similar to the D200 (they are the same price range). I would expect the 9D to run against the D2x (and be a similar price).

The 5D is more of a consumer camera for people who just want to take pictures without much fanfare and print them on their printer from a JPEG. The extra little features built in are for a different market. I wouldn't say it is "more modern" or "more polished" than the 7D. It's a different customer. It has features directed toward that market, you want more Program modes (portrait, landscape, sports etc.) which are just shutter and aperture settings, I want a bright 100% viewfinder. You want a B&W mode, I want easy access to exposure controls. Different customers, different cameras. They're both great cameras for their "intended" customer. Which customer you are dictates what camera you should buy.

p.s. Sorry, this isn't a jab at either camera or anyone's skill level. I just don't want someone to buy the wrong camera for their needs. Don't buy a 7D if you really want the features of the 5D because they are different cameras and you may not be happy. If you like to shoot B&W images but don't like to spend time in Photoshop you should look at a camera that will allow you to shoot in B&W from the camera.
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Re: 7D vs 5D
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2006, 06:09:09 PM »
Fair points rhett. Basically, don't buy a camera as a penis extension, buy it to take photos. I get imaginative shots using a Ricoh compact. It is the man first, machine second. Never imagine that an enormous lens and camera will make you good.

In summary; the 5D is more consumerish, 7D more 'pro'.  Each is capable of things the other can't do, depends what you hold in higher regard

Now for the waffle!




To me, the 7D emerged and needed a serious firmware. To me  that made it seem unfinished, unpolished, rushed out becuase Km were really getting behind - and now they're dead. (sound the trumpets) There were several 7D quality control issues, more than the 5D, which came out seeming finished and with far fewer problems of any note.

The 5D's ISO selection is cleaner, easier, low and high key is right there in front of you, instead of buried away under the ISO BUTTON after CHANGING what the iso button does in custom functions. Good lord! If you don't do low-key/high-key that's fine. But it works.

The 5D allows you to zoom in on RAW files, so you don't need matching jpegs. That's something the 7D lacks... more modern? In that regard, yes. More advanced then? Maybe, it is actually capable of getting all the photos the 7D gets after all.

BUT... and it's a big old but... the 5D controls and lcd let it down for me. It wasn't always quick enough off the mark. The 5D lacks dials. The Function button idea is so lame - because too much is crammed under one little button. Slow. Slower than the D70, which is saying something, as that's irritating too.

The 7D is, for me, better than everything except the D200 and 5D and so on - but these are the next level, the next generation. If the 7D had a bigger, more powerful ccd and 5fps, (and as rhett says a nicer, gasket filled body to keep out dust and splashes) then the D200 wouldn't get a second  look from me.

I'm  happy with the 7D. For now...


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