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Digital Photography Technique => Taking Photos => Topic started by: balacau on December 24, 2009, 07:05:30 PM

Title: Sunrise/sunset pictures; Hoya filters & best choice of lens for this?
Post by: balacau on December 24, 2009, 07:05:30 PM
I was reading through the How to take sunset pictures by Rob aka Minolta-Mad and found it very interesting.  No wonder why I've had very little luck with photographing sunrise/sunset pictures in the past!

After reading through Rob's article, about filters and so on, I've decided to invest in a neutral density filter for this purpose but which type of lens would be most suitable?  A super wide angle maybe?  The Sigma 50-500mm has a filter size of 86mm but the size and weight of this beast would make it somewhat unsuitable!  I was considering using my Sigma 10-20mm wide angle, 77mm filter size.  A genuine Hoya 77mm ND filter will be around £70.  But is a wide angle the best type of lens to use when taking shots of sunset/sunrises? 

Well written article by the way, very informative! 

Thanks

Best regards

Gavin
Title: Re: Sunrise/sunset pictures; Hoya filters & best choice of lens for this?
Post by: Rob aka [minolta mad] on December 24, 2009, 09:19:59 PM
Thanks for the comments about the Article. Glad it has been of use.

Id advise against a screw in graduated filter as the are very ackward to use (in the fact that the position of the filter cant be adjusted up and down) which when composing a picture means that the horizon will have to be placed wherever the graduation on the filter.

Id recomend getting the square type either cokin or lee.

The Sigma 10-20 will make a more than suitable lens for sunrise/sunset images, the only problem is that the cokin p series type filters will only work down to around 15-16mm, below this the images will suffer from vignetting as the lens will see the filter holder.
To overcome this you will need to use 100mm wide filters such as the Lee system, which unfortunately dont come cheap. So the screw in round type looks a better option, but then has its problems as mentioned above.

The only other alternative is to get a Lee Holder and get some Kood filters, the holder is around £50 and the kood filters can be purchased for around £17. Though i havent used the kood filters, i have heard that they are good.

Lee filter holder  http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-lee-foundation-kit/p1010393
Kood 100x125mm filters (Z-pro) http://www.ukcamera.com/denton/kood.htm

Any other questions please ask.


Rob
Title: Re: Sunrise/sunset pictures; Hoya filters & best choice of lens for this?
Post by: winjeel on December 25, 2009, 05:21:24 AM
I second what Rob says. Cokin or Lee. I've tried both, but so far I've been more satisfied with Cokin. Though, I recall Rob being more satisfied with Lee. I've got a feeling that Lee doesn't work very well at the longer focal lengths, which is where I've been disappointed by Lee (on the 70-300mm G). Though, I haven't done any proper comparisons yet, so take what I say with a pinch of salt. It might be best to give both a go, and see what works for you. Fortunately, there'll be plenty of sunrises and sunsets to work with, so take your time. :) Which reminds, me. It's the season for me to get into sunrises again (for Japanese New Year Cards).
Title: Re: Sunrise/sunset pictures; Hoya filters & best choice of lens for this?
Post by: balacau on December 25, 2009, 10:39:45 AM
Thanks for the replies and for the advice.

£70 is a fair bit of cash to spend on a Hoya screw-in filter which may not produce decent results.  I may keep an eye open and see if anyone has any deals with authentic filters, as being what time of year it is, the bank balance is running a bit low!

Seasons greetings and best wishes to everyone.

Best regards

Gavin
Title: Re: Sunrise/sunset pictures; Hoya filters & best choice of lens for this?
Post by: balacau on December 29, 2009, 11:35:39 PM
I haven't got the filter yet although I'm going to try for an ND4 filter first to see what kind of results I can get with that.

I've decided to still go for the normal screw-in type and will just have to take a range of pictures with the horizon at slightly different positions to find the best way of using the filter to its full advantage.

In doing a Google search for Neutral Density filters, I found the following Wikipedia page.  Now normally I avoid this site like the plague but its the table that interests me.  Can anyone tell me what you might use an ND1000000 filter for?  Bet they cost a fair amount of cash too!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_density_filter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_density_filter)

The only downside of course is that the Sigma 10-20mm lens is the only 77mm filter size lens I have so I'm going to need more to see if something like the Sigma 50-500mm (86mm filter required) would produce any better results. 

Best regards

Gavin
Title: Re: Sunrise/sunset pictures; Hoya filters & best choice of lens for this?
Post by: jonjjl on December 29, 2009, 11:50:23 PM

In doing a Google search for Neutral Density filters, I found the following Wikipedia page.  Now normally I avoid this site like the plague but its the table that interests me.  Can anyone tell me what you might use an ND1000000 filter for?  Bet they cost a fair amount of cash too!


Taking pictures of the sun i assume.
Title: Re: Sunrise/sunset pictures; Hoya filters & best choice of lens for this?
Post by: Rob aka [minolta mad] on December 30, 2009, 04:59:38 PM
So far I've been more satisfied with Cokin. Though, I recall Rob being more satisfied with Lee. I've got a feeling that Lee doesn't work very well at the longer focal lengths, which is where I've been disappointed by Lee (on the 70-300mm G). Though, I haven't done any proper comparisons yet

What exactly are the differences winjeel ???

The only trouble with the cokin filters are the colour cast that they give on long exposures. Wheras with the Lee ones you dont get this.


Rob
Title: Re: Sunrise/sunset pictures; Hoya filters & best choice of lens for this?
Post by: Gordon McGeachie on December 30, 2009, 05:17:34 PM
I have the 10-20 and after seeing the prices for a CPL to fit it, I have given up the idea of using filters on this lens.

Even the normal Skylight/UV filters are pricey at £45 +