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Offline GaryD

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Sony 850 and Sony HVL-F58 Flash
« on: August 31, 2010, 03:19:04 AM »
Hi all....a little while since I have posted. I have been playing around with my new flash (HVL-F58) and my Sony Alpha 850. While it works sensationally on camera, I am having some difficulty getting it to fire off camera.  I have read through the users manual supplied by Sony...this didn't help much.Can anyone give me some pointers or suggestions please?

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Re: Sony 850 and Sony HVL-F58 Flash
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2010, 06:28:37 AM »
Did you set the camera to WL (wireless) ? It will be in the function menu for flash. If you have the flash on the camera while you do this then take the camera off the flash and put it on its little stand then it should sort out what channel the flash will fire on. There will be a sign saying wireless on the display of the flash when you take it off camera and if it is like the 56 the focus light will flash.

Hope that is a help.

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Re: Sony 850 and Sony HVL-F58 Flash
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2010, 09:25:16 AM »
What are you triggering the 58 with, or are you using an off camera cable/shoe? The 850 has no build-in flash/trigger.

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Re: Sony 850 and Sony HVL-F58 Flash
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2010, 07:55:29 PM »
Unfortunately...the HVL-F58 can only be triggered wirelessly with another HVL-F58 or the little HVL-F20. A real bummer!
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Re: Sony 850 and Sony HVL-F58 Flash
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2010, 10:29:58 AM »
Yes, I agree with Stef, it can only be triggered wireless by either one, I have to HVL-F58, and I bought the HVL-F20 just to trigger them when I am offsite. It works fine.
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Re: Sony 850 and Sony HVL-F58 Flash
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2010, 04:03:17 AM »
Thanks for the help. I will invest in a little HVL-20 as my control unit.

Much appreciated.

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Re: Sony 850 and Sony HVL-F58 Flash
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2010, 12:28:01 AM »
The problem with the HVL-20 is that it only fires the HVL-58 off camera if the 58 can 'see' the 20 (they are optical wireless systems). I also don't like that I'm using 2 AAA batteries in my HVL-20 and having to waste that power just to fire the HVL-58. That also means I have to carry spare AAA batteries so that the HVL-20 can keep up with the HVL-58.

If you just need the flash off to the side a bit, get one of the Yongnuo remote flash cables off eBay or even pay a few bucks for a non directional wireless attachment.
I have the remote cable and its fine. Of course you lose coupled distance indexing but can still shoot TTL.

I also bought an 8 battery External Flashlight Battery Pack SF-X.
That little beastie means I have high speed flash for motor driven shots (recycle time reduced to about half) or, for big events, means I have 12 batteries on board instead of the std 4. It does come with a std tripod screw option to attach to the base of the camera but with a vertical grip attached that's not practical. The long curly cord allows it to be hung from a belt or put in my pocket and a belt mount soft case is part of the package.

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Re: Sony 850 and Sony HVL-F58 Flash
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2010, 04:14:25 PM »
I am not sure if this solves your problem, but why you do not consider purchasing some wireless trigger and receiver kits for flash guns that will allow you to do so without batteries. the receiver will be connected by the cable to HVL-F58, and the trigger will sit on the shoe mount on the camera. Some kits may come with about 5 receivers and works perfectly fine. I do not have specific recommendation but you may find plenty of them on eBay. This will also solve the issue of batteries, I am  having the same problem when it comes to batteries and more than one flash gun. I hope this is of help. Below are links to some of these products.

Option 1 For USD 39.99 this kit is Trigger + 3 Receivers
http://cgi.ebay.com/Wireless-Flash-Trigger-3-Receiver-FR-SONY-A900-HVLF58AM-/280574465438?pt=Camera_Flash_Accessories&hash=item41538a959e

Option 2 For USD 64.98 this kit is Trigger + 3 Receivers
http://cgi.ebay.com/Wireless-Flash-Trigger-3-Receivers-Sony-a900-/250482332100?pt=Camera_Flash_Accessories&hash=item3a51e911c4

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Re: Sony 850 and Sony HVL-F58 Flash
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2010, 06:15:04 PM »
Sarie; that's what I'd suggest also.
Those litte beggars used to cost a fortune but now they are cheap as chips.

I'm happy with the HVL-20 as a carry around snapshot flash or fill flash in daytime etc; I can't see myself using it for much else.

Be careful if you think this is the way to shoot with one or 2 HVL-58's off camera as it won't allow you to have auto ratio and it's only an optical connection so the big grunty 58's must be in front of it or set up so they can see the little 20's flash unit fire.
In my tests in the forest recently shooting bike riders; it was a pain in the ass.

I have two remote flash cables (one is a spare) and can therefore get one of my HVL-58's off camera and shoot with that and a reflector (or white wall/ceiling) to get a nice light. If I need that extra light, I can add my other HVL-58.

It's a pity that we lose the light ratio feature as soon as the HVL-58 is off camera though; it would be very useful to have auto flash with auto ratio. No sweat for me though; I've been shooting manual flash for decades so ideas like the inverse square law (twice the distance equals a quarter the light) are almost second nature.

About the only extra connections I covet would be the three way connector and a couple of genuine Sony direct flash cables that attach to the side connector on my A900 rather than to the mount show. That leaves the shoe free to attach an after market wireless remote and slave for the shutter release (because the Sony remote I have is also optical and only any good for shooting pics of yourself in front of the camera)