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Offline cleanjamie

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i need help making up my mind
« on: May 12, 2009, 09:02:35 AM »
allo everyone, i need some serious advice. just spent almost 4,000 pounds on camera gear. bought an alpha 900, carl zeiss 24-70mm, tamron 90mm macro 1:1. to be honest i dont know if i'm happy with my purchase. i got about 10 days left to change my mind. i wonder should i of gone for the canon 5d mk2, or possibly even the nikon d700. i really like the carl zeiss lens. i've always been a canon man and jumping to sony was a big step. i dont know what to do. i enjoy macro work, nightscapes and some day landscape work. i'm a bit turned off the alpha 900 because of the noise it make at relatively low ISO. i used to have a canon 40d and that was much better when it came to noise. should a camera that is relatively cheap compared to the sony have less noise?

please please someone help me.

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Re: i need help making up my mind
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2009, 09:44:56 AM »
Not a very easy subject for your first thread on a Sony/Minolta Forum :lol: everyone here will applaud your choice of camera and will extol the virtues of the A900.(those lucky enough to own one)
Welcome to this forum we rejoice in your convertion.:-) ;-)
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Re: i need help making up my mind
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2009, 02:46:10 PM »
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Have a look at stefs work on this forum and see how good the A900 is. The noise at higher iso is an issue but can be cleaned up with software.`Macro and lanscape shouldnt be an issue but long exposures for night work might be not so good. I havent seen a digital camera yet that handles long exposures like the old film ones did yet.

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Re: i need help making up my mind
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2009, 04:46:34 PM »
Welcome to the wonderful world of Sony.
Noise has been Sony's biggest fault (well one of) in comparison to Canon. My best friend has 2 mark II's and night and day in comparison. However when shooting in raw if you use the Sony IDC software and use the noise tool you will see better results than trying to do it in PS with Nik or Noise ninja.
I am a long time Minolta/Konica/Sony supporter but if they don't fix some things by the time of my next upgrade I will need to consider some options.
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Re: i need help making up my mind
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2009, 05:18:58 PM »
cleanjamie- I will try to give you a short answer...first of all welcome.
1. There is no camera out there that is bees' knees yet or we would all have it ;) - therefore the choice of your camera depends on your needs.
2. I shoot regularly with all the high end Canikons but for my private use prefer the Sony cameras. Why?
(a) I just love the lenses - there are quite a few Canikon users out there who have now changed to Sony for the fantastic lenses
(b) I love the simplicity of the Sony menu system and literally hate Canon's cameras for that. Each time I use one I have to dig deep into the menu system to change something very simple...drives me bananas!
(c) the reproduction of colours is outstanding with the Sony cameras
...and many more things

2. You bought a high end professional camera that needs to be used in RAW and the files need to be tweaked- something that is the case with nearly all high end models! I am not sure how good you are at post-processing but you need to develop the files "correctly" in the RAW processor (I use Photoshop ACR- it works best for me- and I had to test pretty much all raw converters out there- don't touch Sony's own- it is crap!)

3. If you are into high ISO shooting - which means literally sports or regular low light shots than Sony is not the right choice for you- go for Nikon instead. If you are into anything else- studio/ fine art/ landscape/ fashion/ birds...Sony is the right choice.

4. Sony cameras CAN deal with high ISO very well you just need to be careful with post-processing. But than I always ask myself- when is it the case that you need to shoot at ISO6400 (btw they have tested Sony's ISO vs Nikons and it turned out that Sony's ISO6400 is about as light sensitive as Nikon @ ISO12800!)

Here are some high ISO shots with the Sony A900:

ISO6400


ISO6400


ISO6400


ISO3200


ISO800


As said you need to learn a certain workflow with the A900 but than that's the case with every other camera out there. I assume you shoot in RAW?

Hope this helps? Any more questions please shoot- I could go on and on about the advantages of Sony over its competitors but than somebody else would do the same about the Canikons...
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Re: i need help making up my mind
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2009, 03:15:02 PM »


2. You bought a high end professional camera that needs to be used in RAW and the files need to be tweaked- something that is the case with nearly all high end models! I am not sure how good you are at post-processing but you need to develop the files "correctly" in the RAW processor (I use Photoshop ACR- it works best for me- and I had to test pretty much all raw converters out there- don't touch Sony's own- it is crap!)

3. If you are into high ISO shooting - which means literally sports or regular low light shots than Sony is not the right choice for you- go for Nikon instead. If you are into anything else- studio/ fine art/ landscape/ fashion/ birds...Sony is the right choice.


Stef I obviously have seen your talent so with no disrespect I am confused. #2 contradicts almost every other thread out there I have read with regard to Sony's software for noise reduction????
#3 I totally disagree unless different countries different trend. But at sporting events here in the US anyways that C company is king. I cannot comment on Nikon since I havn't touched one since film.
I can see your point on the glass as that has been what has kept me loyal for all these years. That and the superior flash system. Certainly not the bodies.
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Re: i need help making up my mind
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2009, 06:01:10 PM »
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Stef I obviously have seen your talent so with no disrespect I am confused. #2 contradicts almost every other thread out there I have read with regard to Sony's software for noise reduction?Huh
#3 I totally disagree unless different countries different trend. But at sporting events here in the US anyways that C company is king. I cannot comment on Nikon since I havn't touched one since film.
I can see your point on the glass as that has been what has kept me loyal for all these years. That and the superior flash system. Certainly not the bodies.

Re.: Sony's noise reduction: The best way IMHO is actually to use the newACR in combination with something such as noise ninja. There are other raw converters out there that are doing a pretty good job with Sony's raw files and noise but the differences are minimal and that boils down to taste and personal preferences. I have done quite a few tests with different software combinations and found that a separate programm such as noise ninja or neat image work best to reduce noise and to keep sharpness in the image which is the biggest problem with noise reduction. While IDC might do a good job regarding noise reduction it tends to soften the image quite dramatically. As said it boils down to personal taste and all these programs have a slight learning curve- so in the end what works best for you and what you are most comfortable with in using to reduce noise is probably the best solution. I am aware of people suggesting IDC is the way to go and that is what it appears to be at first sight. Nevertheless once you try different combinations such as slight noise reduction while RAW processing and then cleaning up with a noise program afterwards plus the correct sharpening methods that's when you really see the differences- at least IMHO.

Nikon is the best camera regarding noise on the market at the moment- at least for me and quite a few tests;) There have been quite a few tests that have compared both the Canons and Nikons against each other re noise and Nikon usually wins when it comes to noise and high ISO. I think the reason why you still see a lot of Canon users at sports events has to do with the fact that Nikon took much more time to come out with high end professional cameras that can deal with noise and have high resolution. So people tended to settle with Canon. Canon was king in that respect (high resolution) but has lately lost quite a few users to Nikon or Sony. Canon is certainly a fantastic camera- no doubt- but they had to deal lately with quite a few issues and I think they did not do that particularly well- i.e. not admitting af issues for quite some time.

Anyhow- this are all things that boil down to personal taste. There is no super camera out there that does it all- at least not for me ;) and there is certainly more than one way to achieve fantastic pretty much noise free images @ high ISO. So apologies should I have come over to drastically with my view about IDC.
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Re: i need help making up my mind
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2009, 06:23:05 PM »
I assume your talking the mark III's which is why my buddy hasn't converted yet. He still has the mark II D and DS. I tend never to comment on Nikon since I work mostly with my Sony stuff or my buddies Canon gear and don't really don't have the time to keep up on them.
He's not totally Canon though he still has all the high end Minolta glass we used to shoot with 80-200 2.8G, 200 2.8G, 300 2.8G, 28-70 2.8 G, 400 4.5 G and a bunch of shorter primes.
Hasn't wanted to sell them. Here's the kicker has a A100 and Minolta 8000i
For my luck I do borrow some of them on occasion.
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2009, 08:42:54 PM »
Stay VERY good friends with him ;)
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Re: i need help making up my mind
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2009, 04:31:14 AM »
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do i keep the alpha 900?
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2009, 12:41:59 PM »
i'm still unsure whether or not to keep the alpha 900. i do alot of night photography, sunsets, i also like taking pictures when the sun is eclipsing a buliding or a tree. my question is am i better of with a nikon d700 or keeping the alpha 900 and carl zeiss lens. i just feel the alpha 900 is a little bit noisy, in fact alot noisy. at the moment i cant post process because i'm still saving up for a laptop and software.
 
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Re: i need help making up my mind
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2009, 12:47:58 PM »

[merged with your previous topic on the same subject]

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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2009, 02:34:24 PM »
HI

IMHO people make a big deal about noise, if you have used film for any period of time you will know that high iso = noise. Some cameras clean it up in camera others let you do it yourself but either way way to much attention  is places on it my people who review cameras as they have nothing else to talk about. What I find important is usability, ergonomics and menu system. well thats my 2 cents :)

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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2009, 02:37:48 PM »
p.s. have a look here and you will see what a 900 can do
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Re: i need help making up my mind
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2009, 04:32:46 PM »
HI

IMHO people make a big deal about noise, if you have used film for any period of time you will know that high iso = noise. Some cameras clean it up in camera others let you do it yourself but either way way to much attention  is places on it my people who review cameras as they have nothing else to talk about. What I find important is usability, ergonomics and menu system. well thats my 2 cents :)

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