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Offline BrianNZ

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Raw V Jpeg
« on: May 11, 2017, 01:51:06 AM »
i have a question ?-  something i have been pondering,  most pro photographers,  web site articles etc etc,  seem to advise shooting in Raw and post processing your photos after the fact,  which i have been doing for a few years now.  However with the modern camera's these days along with improvements in the jpeg qualities, is shooting in raw something that we are now doing out of habit, or is it still really necessary.  I have been trying a few jpeg only photos with my A99 MII,  with things such as DRO settings when lighting is difficult,  and i can find no problem with the quality of the jpegs produced,  saving a lot of time post processing. Im most cases ( i admit in am no lightroom or photoshop expert) i struggle to get my raw files looking as good as post camera Jpegs at the highest quality settings.  When things do go wrong, you can still  adjust the jpegs through the raw processor if required. Reading through the Gary Friedman book on the A99, thou he doesnt say it,  he seems to give the impression that you are limiting the cameras in built abilities when shooting raw ( a lot of functions cant be used when in the raw mode).  Interested to know what others  think.


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Re: Raw V Jpeg
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2017, 06:33:47 AM »
I always shoot in high quality jpeg on my A700, and do whatever needs doing in paintshop pro afterwards.

Never had any real problems and the quality of images is good enough for weddings
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Re: Raw V Jpeg
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2017, 09:41:59 AM »
With my A900 I always shoot RAW, with my A6000 I shoot RAW but also use the auto JPeg for quick postings of holiday shots to Facebook - they are generally 'good enough'.

Once back at base, I do then process the A6000 RAW myself - I do find that the result of my work in LR is an image which I am happier with, and I cna certainly do more with a RAW than a Jpeg.

Is it necessary to shoot RAW and PP?

In many cases no, the cameras software can analyse and process the scene well, and result in a pleasing image.

Do you have more scope for processing a RAW than a JPeg - yes, and more so in newer models in fact, where the RAW has 14 bit data rather than 12 (while the JPeg still is limited to 8).

With a dual card camera like the A99 II, why not shoot RAW + JPeg?
For the majority of images use the JPegs if you are happy with them, for a few where you want to work on them you have the RAW to use as the best starting point.


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Re: Raw V Jpeg
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2017, 08:42:32 PM »
that sounds like a good option,  and without looking into it too closely at the moment (at work) i pretty sure with the A99ii you can set it to save raw to one card and jpeg to the other.  Ill look into that tonight.
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Re: Raw V Jpeg
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2017, 11:23:35 PM »
This is like the chicken and egg question.
For me it comes down to the question of "What are you going to do with the images? " I always shoot raw as I may want to process other than standard.  If you are a great photographer and fully understand the light in the scene then the standard processing done by the modern camera is probably where you will end up.
But remember the number of different prints Ansell Adams made from the same negative.
I may wish to do that at some stage and raw gives me more scope.  Particularly when the light is tricky and variable, and you do not get time to change settings in the camera.  That peace of mind knowing that you have a few stops to play with later is comforting.
We sometimes take our elder daughter with us when on excursions and I give her the A6300 to shoot with.  Then I set it to raw plus jpg so she can have an image that I do not hav to convert.
At our camera club, the Lightroom and Photoshop savvy will always shoot raw. Those less computer savvy who have their images printed for them will usually shoot jpg.
I will only convert an image to jpg if I have to post it to the club website and do not post many images here as I have to go through the conversion and resize process.
For Brian who does not like to do much modification, high quality jpg may be the way to go but doing major post process work is far simpler on raw.....john
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Re: Raw V Jpeg
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2017, 03:19:19 AM »
ok,   clear as mud  lol,  seriously  thanks for the inputs,  was just something i considered,  however i probably will keep shooting in raw and should perhaps look to upskill a bit more in the photoshop/lightroom processing department. I take it John that you only save all your files as raw even when processed? - i have tended to save as a jpeg in the end - dont ask me why lol. 
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Re: Raw V Jpeg
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2017, 05:30:49 AM »
Brian,
I am a tactile person, the photograph only exists when it is printed so if I have only done adjustments in ACR or Lightroom then I leave the raw with its exif adjustments.  If I have done anything in Photoshop then I leave as a .psd.  I print from the .psd file. as the Epson P600 accepts Adobe RGB(1998) which it converts to CMYK.  Why convert from Adobe RGB to jpeg and then convert again from jpeg to CMYK?  Of course if you are getting prints done commercially then they want jpegs.
For me, the fun part of photography is seeing my A3 print come out of the printer.
Am currently playing/experimenting/learning (take your pick) with flat papers so the final adjustment layers you do for flat paper can be turned off and a jpg prepared if needed.
What I am bad at is naming the adjustment layers so if I come back to an image, I forget what they are for and have been known to go back to the original raw and start again. :grin: .....john
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