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Title: A99 ii announced
Post by: dpikston on September 19, 2016, 04:29:48 PM
Just announced on Engadget



$3199
42.4 MP
8% smaller than A99
Full Frame !?
4K video
Available November 2016
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: AScot on September 19, 2016, 07:45:57 PM
Here's a link with photos. Here. (http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_announces_a99_ii_fullframe_slt_for_3200-blog-20589.php)

$3200 USD, $4,222 CAD, 2,456 GBP.
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: dpikston on September 19, 2016, 08:16:41 PM
Should I be saving up for this? Is this the top model now in the Sony stable or will there became replacement of other full frame models?
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: AScot on September 19, 2016, 08:47:04 PM
I think the A7RII is still the top model. At least I think that is what Sony really want. This new A99II is only an attempt to placate A mount users. Lots of pros have already moved to the A7RII.
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: dpikston on September 19, 2016, 09:04:53 PM
Thanks for the link and the response. Guess I was kinda hoping to cling onto A mount rather than go E mount. Just not sure where A is going, if anywhere.
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: chappo1 on September 19, 2016, 11:07:59 PM
I am heading off to collect my A6300 with the SEL18200LE this morning.  This is to be my walkabout camera and the A99 will remain my main camera.
The Sony guys here tell me that the A99 replacement is not being released in Australia and New Zealand so the future is clear I think (well at least in this country)
We have upwards of 100 members in our local camera club and, doing a straw poll, the mirrorless are being bought more often than the big full frame cameras.   Olympus, Pentax, Sony, Fuji
....john
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: REX (aka TG) on September 20, 2016, 06:17:43 AM
I think the A7RII is still the top model. At least I think that is what Sony really want. This new A99II is only an attempt to placate A mount users. Lots of pros have already moved to the A7RII.

The camera is a a77 body with FF sensor. Even the battery grip is from a77. A very well balance camera but two expensive.I agree with Charles that most professional moved to a7rii. AF-D is gone. I love this feature on a99 and hope the new combine AF system will be reliable because i see also some restriction... with lens.... and shooting situation.

Lets wait for the first review and see how better this camera is over the  a99.
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: dpikston on September 20, 2016, 07:48:22 PM
https://goo.gl/fXEgmX

A99ii "review" from Photokina




Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: REX (aka TG) on September 25, 2016, 09:52:21 AM
Some of the specs of the a99II and there functionality. From Sony PDF brochure


-Fast AF/AE tracking*1 at up to 12 fps*2

Hybrid Phase Detection AF to afford continuous shooting
at up to 12fps*2 with full AF/AE Tracking*1.
12fps
*1 The supported focus area will depend on the shooting mode and lens used. Furthermore, when
“Continuous Shooting: Hi+” is selected, focus will be fixed at the first frame shot when Hybrid Phase
Detection AF is active at aperture settings of F9 or higher, or when Hybrid Phase Detection AF is not
active at aperture settings of F4 or higher.
*2 Continuous shooting mode set to "Hi+"[/i]

-Enhanced spot metering Bright monitoring

The spot exposure metering position
can be linked to the focus area when
the Flexible Spot or Expand Flexible
Spot mode is in use. You also have a
choice of Standard or Large metering
spot size for optimum exposure with
the widest range of subjects.


-ISO AUTO Min. shutter speed

This function sets the shutter speed
above which ISO sensitivity will begin
to change when the camera mode is
set to “P” or “A” and “ISO AUTO” is selected.
The ability to specify a low ISO
AUTO limit can help minimize subject
blur when shooting moving subjects


I saw a video on youtupe where you can move autofocus points from PDAF to on sensor PDAF just with the move of the joy stick this is very good both system they will work together when lens and shooting situation allowed. For me is a great camera and have to wait and see the final price :)
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: REX (aka TG) on September 25, 2016, 10:09:28 AM
Basically the a99ii AF will work like on a99 with more coverage area and from 399 AF points the 323 will be selectable. By a99 the 99 AF points were not selectable
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: REX (aka TG) on September 25, 2016, 04:42:51 PM
I am wondering if i use the a99ii and a77ii with 300g + converter 2x

With a77ii i have 900mm with 24 mp Raw

With a99II i have also 900mm but 18 mp Raw ( crop mode)

Both set will use only the 79 PDAF points. Even on a99ii the 399 af points will not be available  when using the teleconvertrers like they did on a99 you could not use the 99 af points.So at the end same results with less money if i stay with a77ii combination.

Is it worth the investment in a camera like the a99ii ?
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: AScot on September 25, 2016, 08:52:55 PM
Is it worth the investment in a camera like the a99ii ?

I cannot speak for you, or any others considering the A99II. We really have to wait for thorough hands-on reviews by known professionals (Not some guy on facebook who may have an agenda). All I can say is I do not intend to buy an A99II at any price, unless the aforementioned reviews show tremendous improvement over the A99. As it looks right now it is essentially only an A77II with a full frame sensor squeezed in and possibly a few additional AF points, and how long have we had to wait for this? I will stay with my A7 + A77 and also ignore the A7II or the A7RII. For the obscene $$$ that Sony now want for a new camera, I want more.

With the A900/850 and probably the A99II + 300mm + the Minolta x2 TC you lose AF. I have found this to be only a minor inconvenience. Perhaps with the newer Sony x2 TC you will get AF, but I think not.
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: Faldrax on September 26, 2016, 11:21:10 AM
For me the reverse is true - I am seriously considering the A99II, because it looks like it represents a significant step up from my A900, and I am hoping that the new higher resolution EVF, and flicker free options, will mean I am happy for it as my main camera.

The A99 was good - but not enough of a step up to outweigh the disadvantages (loss of A900 OVF clarity, switch of hot shoe and memory cards, cost).

There are also now lot's of good options for 3rd party MIS flash units, which also helps.

Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: chappo1 on September 26, 2016, 11:32:24 PM
Jonathan, you will not be disappointed with the A99II.  I resisted the EVF for years holding onto my A700 but once you go EVF you will never go back.
Seems a strange thing to say but trust me the articulated screen and focus peaking on the A99 (and the II) are the two must haves- once you settle in you will wonder how the rest of the population cling to OVF...john
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: CHOLLY on September 27, 2016, 02:34:47 AM
I'm thinking the A99II will be MORE of an advance over the A99 than the A77II was over the A77... and the A77II is SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER than the A77.
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: Faldrax on September 27, 2016, 09:44:24 AM
John, I have an A6000 as well as my A900's, and have also used an A99 for a short time (~15 minutes).

While I like the fact that I can see the effect of exposure compensation, etc in the EVF of the A6000, I still prefer the A900 as I feel more 'connected' with the scene using the OVF vs the EVF - it's difficult to describe precisely, but I am still aware that I am looking at a screen with the A6000 (and when I tried the A99 and previously A77).

It's partly the ergonomics of the A900 - but I find it no more distracting to move the A900 away from my eye to adjust WB, ISO, etc. than I do to use the buttons on the A6000 and change things while looking through the viewfinder - I'm still switching from looking at the screen to looking at the settings.

I am hoping that the higher resolution screen on the A99II will help make it seem more 'real', and the advantages of the higher resolution (more capability to crop), higher ISO (the only real weakness of the A900) and articulated screen (I use this only occasionally on my A6000, but it has much more limited articulation) will outweigh and feelign of 'disconnection'.

Note: I have focus peaking / highlights switched OFF on my A6000, as I didn't get on with it - it's another thing that a higher resolution EVF may cure.
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: REX (aka TG) on September 28, 2016, 08:27:18 AM
From Sony at photokina,,,

when the hybrid AF system is activate then the 79 AF PDAF sensors detect subject horizontal and the 399 PDAF sensors detect subject in vertical. At the end the 79 sensor that overlapping they are cross sensors and you get 79 cross sensors.

What about the 15 PDAF points ? they are allready cross will they become dapple cross sensors like we have on a700 & a900 one in the middle ?
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: CHOLLY on September 29, 2016, 01:31:48 AM
No.

But you WILL have 79 cross type sensors in Hybrid AF mode... class leading performance to be sure.
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: CHOLLY on September 29, 2016, 01:37:50 AM
John, I have an A6000 as well as my A900's, and have also used an A99 for a short time (~15 minutes).

While I like the fact that I can see the effect of exposure compensation, etc in the EVF of the A6000, I still prefer the A900 as I feel more 'connected' with the scene using the OVF vs the EVF - it's difficult to describe precisely, but I am still aware that I am looking at a screen with the A6000 (and when I tried the A99 and previously A77).

It's partly the ergonomics of the A900 - but I find it no more distracting to move the A900 away from my eye to adjust WB, ISO, etc. than I do to use the buttons on the A6000 and change things while looking through the viewfinder - I'm still switching from looking at the screen to looking at the settings.

I am hoping that the higher resolution screen on the A99II will help make it seem more 'real', and the advantages of the higher resolution (more capability to crop), higher ISO (the only real weakness of the A900) and articulated screen (I use this only occasionally on my A6000, but it has much more limited articulation) will outweigh and feelign of 'disconnection'.

Note: I have focus peaking / highlights switched OFF on my A6000, as I didn't get on with it - it's another thing that a higher resolution EVF may cure.

The EVF in the A77II/A7xII/A6300/RX100IV/RX1RII and A99II is the latest generation and the refresh rate is EXTREMELY fast. It is bright, presents the entire view, and is crystal clear.

I will have an EXTREMELY hard time going back to an OVF. When I break out my 35mm Minolta for landscapes it leaves me wondering how we did it "back then."
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: REX (aka TG) on September 29, 2016, 09:00:56 AM
Thanks CHOLLY for the clarification.

Not good new for us we would like think of buying a99II.On DPreview they tested Canon 5DIV and the focus system iRT is not reliable plus many other negatives and is ranked below Sony A 7Rii. So for the moment no way  for Sony to reduce price. The only hope for a better price is when a Nikon D800/900 comes out at a lower price or a new Canon 6DII also at lower price and better specification that Sony feel the pressure and reduce the price. And i think the R & D for a99II was not so costly as the a99I. This is my hope that Sony will have the chance even when the competitors answer with new model Sony will have the chance to reduce price and still be the favorite for many photographer.

Sensor from a7Rii
Focus from a77II & a7Rii
Economics and body from a77/ii & a99
Battery grip from a77/II




Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: Faldrax on September 29, 2016, 10:24:24 AM
The EVF's in the A77II/A7xII/A6300/RX100IV/RX1RII and A99II is the latest generation and the refresh rate is EXTREMELY fast. It is bright, presents the entire view, and is crystal clear.

I will have an EXTREMELY hard time going back to an OVF. When I break out my 35mm Minolta for landscapes it leaves me wondering how we did it "back then."

That is what I am hoping to find when I try one - for me, I find the A6000 EVF is perfectly usable, and a fair proportion of the time looks 'real', just not always. I had a similar experience with the A99 and A77 (both Mk I versions). 

The A99II EVF is certainly higher spec, so I'm hoping it tips the balance from 'sometimes better, sometimes worse' to 'always equal or better then OVF'.

Just need to wait until sometime after November to get one to try :)
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: CHOLLY on September 29, 2016, 02:14:56 PM
Thanks CHOLLY for the clarification.

Not good new for us we would like think of buying a99II.On DPreview they tested Canon 5DIV and the focus system iRT is not reliable plus many other negatives and is ranked below Sony A 7Rii. So for the moment no way  for Sony to reduce price. The only hope for a better price is when a Nikon D800/900 comes out at a lower price or a new Canon 6DII also at lower price and better specification that Sony feel the pressure and reduce the price. And i think the R & D for a99II was not so costly as the a99I. This is my hope that Sony will have the chance even when the competitors answer with new model Sony will have the chance to reduce price and still be the favorite for many photographer.

Sensor from a7Rii
Focus from a77II & a7Rii
Economics and body from a77/ii & a99
Battery grip from a77/II






REX, my fear is that Sony will keep the price of the A99II exactly where it is because of the cameras performance.

I'm betting that when it is tested it will exceed almost ALL other cameras except the A7RII in image quality tests and all but the top two pro cameras from canikon in every other category.

This means Sony won't be pressured to drop the price, as they will consider it equal to the A7RII and we see how they have not moved that price tag in 2 years!!
Title: Re: A99 ii announced
Post by: CHOLLY on September 29, 2016, 02:19:04 PM
The EVF's in the A77II/A7xII/A6300/RX100IV/RX1RII and A99II is the latest generation and the refresh rate is EXTREMELY fast. It is bright, presents the entire view, and is crystal clear.

I will have an EXTREMELY hard time going back to an OVF. When I break out my 35mm Minolta for landscapes it leaves me wondering how we did it "back then."

That is what I am hoping to find when I try one - for me, I find the A6000 EVF is perfectly usable, and a fair proportion of the time looks 'real', just not always. I had a similar experience with the A99 and A77 (both Mk I versions). 

The A99II EVF is certainly higher spec, so I'm hoping it tips the balance from 'sometimes better, sometimes worse' to 'always equal or better then OVF'.

Just need to wait until sometime after November to get one to try :)

The funny thing is, Sony deliberately used a lower resolution EVF in the A6000 as a way to keep the price point low enough to create interest and attract droves of canikon users to the E mount platform.

The EVF in the A99II is much faster... so fast in fact, that if you limit the burst rate to 8fps, you see a REAL TIME VIEW of what's coming into the lens, just like the A6300. With full AF and AE!! Which is SPECTACULAR to say the least.

I can't wait for the camera to hit the stores.....