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Title: A77II or A99
Post by: BigGreen73 on July 22, 2014, 01:31:40 AM
If you were going to purchase another camera this week, would you go for the A77II or A99?

Even though it is FF, is the price difference of the A99 worth it?

I have an A55 and A77. I don't use the A55 much anymore. I want a second body that's better than my A77 as my primary with my A77 as the back-up. I do have a handful of FF lenses; Tamron 28-75 f2.8, Tamron 90mm, Tamron 70-200mm f2.8, Sony 50mm, and Sony 70-300G. The Tamron's are the originals and not the new versions.

Thanks!
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: CHOLLY on July 22, 2014, 04:27:54 AM
If your Tamron lenses are Di and your Sony 50 a DT, then you will have to buy glass for the A99. The 70-300mm G is good, but will that be enough for you?

Also, how much money do you have to spend on the new camera? The A99 is considerably more expensive than the A77II, which has many of the features of the A99 but maintains the 12 frame per second burst rate.

Tough decision...
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: pointblank on July 22, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
It depends on your lens arsenal, personally I would go for full frame. Having that said, a body is a commodity these days, high premium lenses are still for life if taken well care of.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: BigGreen73 on July 22, 2014, 01:24:01 PM
So tamron Di = Sony DT. Made for APS-C Sensors? I was unaware of that. The Sony 50mm that I have is the Sony 50mm f/1.4 Lens (I also have the 50mm f 1.8 DT version as well).

I am also thinking of getting the Sony 28-75 F 2.8 as well.

I am leaning towards the A77II right now, but really want FF. This will be my last camera purchase for a long while and I and am just starting to put myself out there to do work for others.

Tough decision for sure.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: Faldrax on July 22, 2014, 04:07:20 PM
So tamron Di = Sony DT. Made for APS-C Sensors? I was unaware of that.

NO

Tamron Di = Full Frame
Tamron Di II = APS-C

(For reference, Sigma use DC for APS-C and DG for Full Frame)

Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: BigGreen73 on July 22, 2014, 04:45:57 PM
Okay, so my selection of Tamron 28-75 f2.8 DI, Tamron 90mm DI, Tamron 70-200mm f2.8 DI, Sony 50mm f1.4, and Sony 70-300G would all work perfectly fine on the A99 FF. That's what I thoght. Could to have confirmation.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: sum_of_all_parts on July 22, 2014, 05:47:51 PM
One thing that may justify the full frame camera over the APS-C sensor is how much you value shooting wide angle shots. Your lens selection will give you a wider vew with the full frame and this can provide some nice perspective effects. Especially for interior or architectural shots this can be very handy.

One reason for my using the Sony full frame cameras is that I had a Nikon 18-35 mm lens and I missed having a lens shorter in focal length than 24 mm. Which is not to say that I've abandoned using the APS-C lens. When doing animal shots with telephotos, it is advantageous to use the APS-C camera to provide a cropped in view of the animal. So for my general shots, I tend to use the full frame camera body. If I anticipate taking animal shots, then I use the APS-C size sensor camera.

Brian Matsumoto
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: REX (aka TG) on July 22, 2014, 06:38:44 PM
If speed is not very important then full frame is the way to go.

I have both and use them both in sport and landscape but each one is a king in its territory (a99 landscape +...) & a77II (sport +...)
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: chappo1 on July 22, 2014, 11:24:11 PM
I moved from A700 to A99.  If I bought another body it would be an A77 II.  Only because it would give me one of each and I would use the crop sensor to give me more reach.
If I had an A77 like you then I would go for an A99 for the same reason-one of each....john
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: BigGreen73 on July 23, 2014, 12:42:14 AM
Right now I do mostly street, landscape, animal style photographer. But I am going to start doing more people/portrait photography. Speed isn't a huge factor for me. I have only used the 12 fps maybe a dozen times on the A77.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: pointblank on July 23, 2014, 11:28:30 AM
Your name of the game is definitely full frame. The depth of field is such a different ball game resulting in improved image quality for your genre of photography.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: BigGreen73 on July 24, 2014, 12:54:04 PM
The A99 seems to be the way to go. Now I am thinking if I should go all out and get the CZ 24-70 f 2.8 as well. I read that this is an awesome pairing with spectacualr image quality. I am looking to make an investment that will serve me well for years to come. This will be my last camera purchase for a long time.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: chappo1 on July 24, 2014, 11:31:22 PM
I have the 24-70CZ atop the A99.  Both IQ and weight are awesome !!!!!...john
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: Morph on July 27, 2014, 12:21:02 PM
Hello new to the forums but read this question and the replies with interest. I currently use the A77 mk1. In the main I like to shoot still life and macro. But I tend to take my camera every where.  I can see why the A99 would make a difference for landscape photography but how much difference would it really make for still life. Both my 50 & 90mm Macro are FF compatible. I have the 70 - 300mm G which I use occasionally. I do also have some of the cheaper 35, 30 and 50mm lenses but they were not a great out lay and I now would be FF compatible. The big lose would be the Sony 16 - 50mm which I love and gives great results. The other consideration may be that I could possible get a new A77 mk11 but the A99 may have to be pre loved !. Im not wholly convinced that the A77 Mk 11 would give me an awful lot of benefits over the Mk1 but I would be interest to know peoples thoughts.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: chappo1 on July 27, 2014, 12:39:54 PM
Hi Morph and welcome to the forum.  I hope you stick around and show us some of your work.
On your deliberations, you could still use your 16-50mm on the A99 but it would use only the central part of the image- ie like an A77.

Only you can decide what is right for you- we can only give our moves and the reasons for them.  If you troll through some older threads you will find the reasoning.
As an old fella, my next camera will be of the A7r variety as the A99/24-70Zeiss combo is quite heavy....john
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: REX (aka TG) on July 27, 2014, 02:43:21 PM
The A99 seems to be the way to go. Now I am thinking if I should go all out and get the CZ 24-70 f 2.8 as well. I read that this is an awesome pairing with spectacualr image quality. I am looking to make an investment that will serve me well for years to come. This will be my last camera purchase for a long time.

You may not believe it but I use 24-70CZ mostly on a77I/II and 16-35CZ on a99.If Sony ever build 24-105 I may buy it.

When I say speed I don't mean only the 12 fps but also Writing speed & clearing buffer. The a900 is more quickly on writing and clearing the buffer because of the duel Bionz processor.

For me is important RAW.If a99 could take 24MP RAW at 12f/s or 10 f/s then the a77I/II would be useless.

A big Welcome to Morph
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: Frank [aka Wires] on July 29, 2014, 08:50:05 PM
Morph;
Having just upgraded to from the a77 (MK1) to the mark 2 model I would have to say I've found it quite an improvement. In the short time I've played with it I can say it's been a pleasure. I will be getting round to putting some of my first shots up once I've found the time to go through them. I'd have liked the a99 but it was out of my price bracket... and only just managed to squeeze the trade-in cameras + balance past the wife! ;)

BigGreen73;
Sounds as though the price for the a99 is 'comfortable' for you so that is the way to go - UNLESS (;) ) you want to wait and see what the a99 replacement will be before deciding between the 'old' and the 'new'!
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: Morph on August 02, 2014, 10:35:33 AM
Thanks Frank I would be interested to know which areas you found to better form a users point of view.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: Frank [aka Wires] on August 06, 2014, 09:49:05 AM
Sorry for a late reply Morph.

Briefly... the colours appear more vibrant on the LCD screen as well as on the computer and seem to match up better when viewing the RAW and jpg images (shooting RAW/JPG). The focus system is better, image stabilisation 'seems' better - I have some problems with hand 'trembles' and was getting a lot of slightly out of focus/blurred shots with the mark 1, this was taking away some of the enjoyment of going out shooting :( .

Still trying to get time to become familiar with other bits of the mark 2 but I feel more 'enthused' in trying for hand held rather than resorting to using a tripod - but still carry one with me just in case ;) Going to Cornwall for the annual weeks holiday from the 16th August so intending to get more time then.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: Morph on August 06, 2014, 06:07:14 PM
Thanks Frank some interesting points and I could actually see where they would be a bonus to me. May be time to find a camera shop and have a play lol, better leave the credit card at home that day. Enjoy Cornwall ill be there in Sept.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: Frank [aka Wires] on August 07, 2014, 09:08:24 AM
This may also help you out;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y56QTbbBFcY&feature=em-subs_digest
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: BigGreen73 on August 07, 2014, 01:42:58 PM
Thanks Frank! I actually just watched that video before coming to the forum. Yeah, I am leaning towards the A77II now. I have been shooting a lot lately and I just love my A77 and the A77II is an improvement on that.

With the A77II I want to get a really good lens. Even though is a little expensive, the CZ 24-70 seems to be the one to get. I am thinking that lens, my sony 70-300G, and sony 50mm I should have everything covered.

Just curious, does anyone use the 16-80mm f/3.5-4.5 Carl Zeiss DT? Thought? The reviews I have read on this are pretty hit or miss.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: Faldrax on August 07, 2014, 03:37:36 PM
I had the CZ 16-80 on my A700, before I switched to an A900 and the Sigma 24-70 f/2.8

I really liked the CZ, but now I've become accustomed to the constant f/2.8 on the Sigma, it would be hard to go back to not having it.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: chappo1 on August 07, 2014, 11:50:43 PM
Biggreen73- I have exactly the lens line-up you mention and the sony 50mm is the F1.4.

But mine are on the full frame A99.  If you are using the crop sensor then your CZ 24-70 becomes 36-105 and your 16-80 becomes 24-120. The Nifty fifty becomes 75
You need to decide what is important to you in the compromises you have to make....john
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: BigGreen73 on August 14, 2014, 05:30:21 PM
Biggreen73- I have exactly the lens line-up you mention and the sony 50mm is the F1.4.

But mine are on the full frame A99.  If you are using the crop sensor then your CZ 24-70 becomes 36-105 and your 16-80 becomes 24-120. The Nifty fifty becomes 75
You need to decide what is important to you in the compromises you have to make....john

I know what you mean. I did some shooting this past Sat at the Boston Comic con. Used the A77 DT, 16-50 f 2.8, and Sony HVL-58 flash (w/ a mini diffuser to help soften a bit). The light was pretty bad, it was hot, and very crowded. Things went well and I got quite a few good shots, but I think that the FF A99 w/ the CZ 24-70 would be suited for those environments. I will be doing a con at least once a month over the next 4 months and I  would feel better about cranking the ISO w/ the A99 and leaving the flash at home. 
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: BigGreen73 on August 18, 2014, 12:03:39 PM
Well, I pulled the trigger and ordered the A99 (w/ free grip) and CZ 24-70mm yesterday. Since my majority of photography is going to be landscapes, portraits, conventions etc. The FF was the way to go for me. Thanks for all your posts and advice!
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: sum_of_all_parts on August 18, 2014, 05:48:35 PM
Congratulations on your new purchase!
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: Morph on August 18, 2014, 05:55:22 PM
Congratulations on your new purchase
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: retoohs on August 18, 2014, 10:13:17 PM
Good choice. I went from the A77 to the A99 and best move I ever made. I miss the cropped sensor at times when using a long lens as miss the extra length but have bought a 1.4x convertor. If I ever get the funds I'd love the A77ll as a second body but that's a dream at present.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: chappo1 on August 18, 2014, 11:23:06 PM
Congratulations on your new "toy" ...john
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: REX (aka TG) on August 19, 2014, 06:30:09 AM
Congratulations :) very good decision you will not regret it.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: BigGreen73 on August 19, 2014, 11:14:28 AM
Good choice. I went from the A77 to the A99 and best move I ever made. I miss the cropped sensor at times when using a long lens as miss the extra length but have bought a 1.4x convertor. If I ever get the funds I'd love the A77ll as a second body but that's a dream at present.

I am with you there. I am hanging on to my A77 as my second body. I don't think that I could part with it. So my camera family is now the A55, A77, A99 & Rx100 II. I think I will be all set for a long time to come.
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: BigGreen73 on September 02, 2014, 07:24:18 PM
Well, made the investment. Got the A99, CZ 24-70, and picked up the HVL-43m flash to use with it. Had them for a few weeks now and love it! What a difference a FF makes. I am not disappointed. Quite a difference using my FF lenses on the A99. Colors, contrast, sharpness etc seem so much better right out of the camera. Thanks to all for your posts!!
Title: Re: A77II or A99
Post by: Frank [aka Wires] on September 02, 2014, 08:42:41 PM
Pleased to hear you are happy with the a99 FF. Looking forward to seeing some of your shots :)