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A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« on: June 01, 2017, 07:54:54 PM »
Hello,

just bought a Godox TT350s and well looks like it's only for A77 vII
So it does not adapt to the A77 flash shoe (feels stupid here...).

I'd really like to keep this as it looks like a great flash: small form factor and good recycle time.
(Going to use it with a photo box as top light to remove the shadows for jewelry shooting.)

As I read in the A77 manual I have to plug the flash on top of the camera to pair it.
==>Do you guys have any suggestions on how to pair it with say a cable, shoe adapter, ...black magic?

Otherwise any suggestions for flash alternatives would be appreciated too.

Also did I read well in the manual that I have to pull out the camera flash to use the TTL wireless flash?
Meaning I'm obliged to shoot with both the camera and the remote flash, which would be of an issue as I already have lots of front light with the photo box.

Thanks for the help!

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Re: A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2017, 09:41:34 AM »
Sony make an adaptor, the ADP-AMA, which fits the older iISO shoe (which the A77 has) and has a MIS shoe on the top, allowing you to fit and use flashes and triggers designed for the newer MSI shoe.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-ADP-AMA-AutoLock-Accessory-Interface/dp/B0099YS6WW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1496392760&sr=1-1&keywords=sony+adp-ama+shoe+adapter

It obviously makes things a little less stable, and more bulky, but the alternative is to switch to older style flashguns, etc.
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Re: A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2017, 06:33:05 PM »
Awesome, just ordered it.

I just need the adapter to sync the flash to the camera as I will use the flash in wireless mode



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Re: A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2017, 01:40:58 AM »
You would think that we get commission from Gary Friedman but we don't (hint hint Gary if you read this)
Did you buy the book on the A77?  A good investment an recommended if you did not.  Also take a look at these.
I have the "how to wow with wireless flash- at one time it came with one of his other books but ~ $10 is cheap)
In it you will see the "activating flash" atop the camera puts out little light.  It is just a morse code for the TTL flash.  You can even mask it if you wish.

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Re: A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2017, 11:37:41 PM »
Another book to add to my list!

Thanks a lot.

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Re: A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2017, 09:27:01 AM »
Just to second what John says about Garry Friedman's books - when I stared with an A200, his guide was a treasure trove of information on why and when to use various controls and settings.

As I upgraded to the A700, then A900, then added an A6000 as a 'travel camera' I added the relevant eBook - definitely worth getting, and my first point of reference if I find myself unsure on how to do something (more relevant on the A6000 - the newer cameras have a huge array of interrelated options).

I also subscribe to his blog, which comes out every month or so, and often has useful hints and tips, as well as info on how he gets specific shots - a nice insight into how a 'pro' thinks through an image.
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Re: A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2017, 02:33:11 PM »
THIRD!!!
There are people who actually think LENS stabilization is better than sensor shifting!

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Re: A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2017, 04:35:23 AM »
So I might be too dumb or something....

Hooked the flash to the camera with the shoe adapter,
set Flash mode to Wireless,
Set the Godox to Master mode TTL.
(Tried a couple of different channels)
Removed the Flash from the camera and the shoe adapter

Not triggering the wireless flash, only the built in flash
Note: the flash works while attached to the camera with the shoe adapter.

*Sad panda face*

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Re: A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2017, 07:14:10 AM »
I do not know godox but when you put a Sony flash atop the camera and select TTL, that selects the flash settings.  I could be getting the wrong idea from your description but is sounds like you are setting the flash yourself.  This should not be necessary.
It may make no difference but it is not the way I understand it...john
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Re: A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2017, 09:58:09 AM »
If the Godox is Off Camera, it will be the Slave - the Camera is the Master.

Try settign the flash to slave, and see if that works.

However, just looked at the online manual for the TT350s, and it's not clear if it accepts the Sony wireless flash protocols :(

It does accept 'dumb' optical slave mode (where the Camera pop up Flash is used normally, and the off-camera flash fires in manual mode as S1/S2), but all the TTL descriptions  refer to using one Godox as master, and another as Slave.
You can also use the XT1S trigger on camera.

The TT685S manual does refer to using the Sony optical wireless system - it might be worth having a look at that and seeing if its a problem with the documentation (IE if the way to set Sony Optical triggering for the TT685s will work for the TT350s).
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Re: A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2017, 01:51:49 PM »
BOTH of you guys are correct.

DEEWE buy the Friedman book.....
There are people who actually think LENS stabilization is better than sensor shifting!

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Re: A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2017, 07:12:23 PM »
So bought the book and tis really nice.
Sad thing is it did not help solve the issue.

Tried slave, master, Manual and TTL move without much of a success.

Flash fires only while hooked to the camera.
Also noticed the flash red light doesn't blink when I remove it from the camera or the camera shoe.

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Re: A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2017, 11:21:54 PM »
If that red light is not blinking on the "slave" Godox then it will not fire in TTL.
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Go to any help site for Godox. From my look, it says it works with Sony mirrorless and I cannot see any reason why it will not work with an A77 but I do not know Godox. 
If you can borrow a Sony flash- Take you camera to a camera store and pretend you want to buy a Sony flash for TTL and get them to demo :grin: .  Or if you have a relationship with the store you bought from (assuming it was a store) you could try asking for a demo.
You may be able to pick up a cheap second hand Sony flash that will work.
Sorry cannot assist more with gear I do not know.....john
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Re: A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2017, 01:07:30 AM »
Thanks for the suggestions, will look into it.

Bringing the camera to a shop looks like a good idea for sure.

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Re: A77 TTL flash // Godox TT350s
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2017, 04:24:04 AM »
Give manual a go.
I have a small Sony F20M which I can use to trigger the F58AM in wireless TTL but, after proving I could do it, I tend to just go for manual mode.  Sounds scary but is not really.  I have a "hairdresser head" bought second hand and just put it/her on a stand and practice but you can use anything to hand.
Set the flash at the angle you want the light and distance and run through the settings full power, half power etc to get the feel of it.
Then play with distance and F stop.  It will not take long before you can estimate the correct setting to within a stop.... john
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