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8 or 10 bit pipeline
« on: April 27, 2014, 01:13:20 AM »
Ok don't really know what in talking about here but hope somebody does and can give me some advice. I ordered a monitor with a wide colour gamut that from what I have read might need 10 bit pipeline from the graphics card. The card in the laptop as far as I can see is only 8 bit. Also I read that Dell monitors have something called LUT which means I won't need 10 but pipeline. Really I don't understand it and the salesmen at Dell are no help. Is someone able to explain  this a little so I can get my head around it. Also getting a little older and eyesight not what it once was will I notice a difference. Thanks Alan
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Re: 8 or 10 bit pipeline
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2014, 06:56:36 AM »
Most laptops don't have a graphics card, just a sort of software emulation, so why would you use a laptop? or if you use a laptop, why the need for a wide gamut monitor? or any monitor?

I'm sure I'm probably missing something here but if you have a monitor with a wide colour gamut, then surely you should upgrade to a desktop with the appropriate video card? Adobe RGB is a wide gamut colour space as opposed to sRGB. Both are available in Sony cameras, but can be shown on standard monitors.

I use a high end HP monitor and I have two Dell laptops (One high end) and I have never heard of LUT. Sorry to be so useless. ???
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Re: 8 or 10 bit pipeline
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2014, 11:53:58 PM »
I don't see the need for both laptop and desktop when there are high performance laptops available quite capable of doing the work of a desktop. The laptop has a AMD Radeon(TM) HD 8670M 2GB DDR3 graphics card but I've searched for the specs and can't find it it is 8 or 10 bit pipeline to the monitor. Why would I not want a decent monitor for editing at home. I wanted something high quality and larger than the 15" laptop screen for home. The laptop is capable of running the monitor with a 4th generation i7 processor and 16gb of ram. I don't see the need for a desktop as well. As I sad I'm not knowledgable in this subject and maybe I don't need a 10 but graphics card to get the best out of the monitor.  The monitor I have ordered it the Dell UltraSharp 24 Monitor (Dell UltraSharp U2413 24” Monitor with LED)
I'd just like to make sure everything is right and I don't need to upgrade the graphics card before it is shipped.

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Re: 8 or 10 bit pipeline
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2014, 12:08:58 AM »
I do not really understand all that techno babble so hopefully some-one who does will read your thread.
As you know from previous threads and comments, I now have a 27" high resolution RGB capable monitor.
To drive it I had the system built with a 2Gig  graphics card (just below gaming quality).

I have read numerous stuff that says you can use the graphics on the motherboards and you are wasting money etc etc..
What if these folk are wrong?
Colour and resolution are slippery things to get hold of and folks who rave over a low res image on the internet are kidding themselves.

Anyway- first time I have been able to look at the difference between RGB and sRGB.
When calibrating you have to choose and I chose RGB of course.
I print my own up to A3+ on an Epson R2400.
This printer takes RGB files so the camera, the monitor, and the printer all accept and are set to RGB .

Did I need to do what I have done?  I do not know and all the giga and byte experts do not know either but I am happy and that is what counts.

If you can interpret all that techo stuff- good on you !!

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Re: 8 or 10 bit pipeline
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2014, 01:26:20 AM »
Cheers John. All above me. The system I've ordered is hopefully going to be great and I'm worried about techno stuff I don't need to. I'd never heard of 8 or 10 bit pipeline until a couple of days ago.
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Re: 8 or 10 bit pipeline
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2014, 08:38:38 AM »
Well I've given up on Dell helping me any further with this, today is the 3rd time the tech is meant to have contacted me and hasn't. The monitor retails at $909 and when I ordered it I managed to get it down to $819. Today I saw they had a promo on it at $636 so I suggested as a show of goodwill because they have messed me around so much with the tech not contacting me they should credit me the difference between what I paid and the promo price. Surprise, surprise they have. I also just talked to someone who knows a small amount about this subject who said as far as he is aware the graphics card is 8 bit pipeline (still don't know what this is all about) but not to worry about it I'll still have a great monitor for editing. Still interested in anyone that knows about this subject helping me understand it all.
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Re: 8 or 10 bit pipeline
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2014, 08:35:56 PM »
retoohs, If you have a high end laptop with a graphics card, then using a large monitor makes very good sense. The graphics card you are using will be maximised for the best performance, right out of the box, and you do not have to worry about pipelines, Gamers may, I don't.

John what you have done is fine and graphics on the motherboard are not good, only cheap. RGB, as I said, is a wide gamut colour working space. sRGB is what the internet uses. Most printers can make use of Adobe RGB or sRGB. Set the camera to use Adobe RGB, post process in Adobe RGB, save the finished results in Adobe RGB then when you want to print, convert to whatever your printer can handle. If you post an RGB photo to the internet it will be converted automatically by flickr, Photobucket etc. to sRGB. Photoshop will convert to sRGB when you use the resize for internet.

Here's a chart that may help anyone who is interested. By the way John this giga and byte expert is an Electronics Engineering Technician as well as being a Civil Engineer. However all that was before I retired 15 years ago, so I am beginning to struggle to keep up with all this new technology stuff. ???

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Re: 8 or 10 bit pipeline
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2014, 06:32:17 PM »
Thanks AScott. I still don't understand this pipeline stuff but you have helped put my mind at rest. I'm visiting family and hoping laptop and monitor will have been delivered by the time I get home Thursday. Looking forward to editing on something decent.
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