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Offline panoramix24

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Some thoughts on the NEX 7
« on: April 14, 2012, 01:50:31 AM »
I have had the NEX 7 for a couple of weeks. In short summary I love the camera. For me it was an upgrade from the A300. Overall the camera achieved its goal in being small and portable. The important factor "can my wife use it" passed with flying colors.

I believe the camera challenges the user a lot. The biggest challenge on my mind is not having any guides whatsoever to identify where is the camera going to focus. In my A300 it was very easy. The OVF had an overlay where the camera sensors were located. There is no such luxury in the Nex7. And so I find myself guessing and the camera focusing anywhere but where I thought I would. The downside is that I have to be back to center spot as it is the only mode where there is a clear indicator of where the camera focuses.

My wish list for the camera is very simple. Add GPS and the feature set is complete.

For how does it compare to this camera vs this other, I think there are 100's of review where the camera is worse, equal or better than camera X. Thus I cannot add value there.

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Re: Some thoughts on the NEX 7
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 03:46:32 PM »

It's been a very (very) long time since I've posted here!  Photography has taken a bit of a back seat to cycling, so I'm thinking about selling some of my FF gear and switching to something more portable like the NEX-7.
Carrying the a900 around

I have an NEX-5 at the moment, but I've found I really can't do without a viewfinder.

Interesting points about the focusing.  I'm wondering when you use the NEX-7 with the Sony LA-EA2 - whether you get similar  focus points (and focus settings) that the a55 has?  I understand you probably don't have the Sony LA-EA2 - so not really a question directly for you.

Lens choice still seems to be my main concern, but think the LA-EA2 will give enough flexibility in the short term.

Thanks for the review.  Not fully convinced on the a900 > NEX7 switch...  still have more thinking to do. It's a lot of money for the NEX-7 (same price as a77)
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Re: Some thoughts on the NEX 7
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 09:52:57 PM »

I have an NEX-5 at the moment, but I've found I really can't do without a viewfinder. ...

Lens choice still seems to be my main concern, but think the LA-EA2 will give enough flexibility in the short term.

Thanks for the review.  Not fully convinced on the a900 > NEX7 switch...  still have more thinking to do. It's a lot of money for the NEX-7 (same price as a77)

I agree. I have the Nex 5 and it is a love-hate relationship...I hate the fact that I have no viewfinder (the Nex 7 has on though) and I find the handling a bit strange, particularly if you mount a Sony lens with adapter on it. It just does not sit well in my hands...whch might very well be the fact that it has no viewfinder. I love the size though, but I am not sure whether I would go for another Nex again. I would definitely want to borrow one beforehand, particularly as they are not cheap.
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Re: Some thoughts on the NEX 7
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2012, 01:37:54 PM »
Must say I agree with these comments regarding the NEX-5.
I was taking some photos with the NEX-5 in bright sunshine last month. due to the lack of a viewfinder & the sun was shining on the screen whilst pointing the camera in the required direction I couldn't see it. I was literally taking the photos blind & retaking as necessary after looking at the photo taken.
The adaptor to fit my alpha lenses works but makes it a bit top heavy with the 70-300 lens on plus AF is slow. Not too bad with the CZ 16-80 lens. The longer range E lenses are expensive or not yet available, so 55mm is the longest i have got on the E lenses at the moment.

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Re: Some thoughts on the NEX 7
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2012, 04:01:12 PM »
Still very tempted about dumping my a900 for the NEX-7.  I really want a lighter weight body - but with a viewfinder... and the a900 hasn't left the house in about 6 months  :(

I currently have the Sony LA-EA1 adapter, but as other people have stated, AF is slow.. and not really unusable on moving subjects.  I have also found the issue with the focusing stated in the first post... as as you've stated, if you are using a fast lens with a shallow DOF but with no control where the camera will focus, it's far from ideal (e.g.  you are not likely to be able to focus on the 'eyes' for portraits etc)

I think the key for me will be whether the Sony LA-EA2 adapter removes the AF limitations, so have just purchased a Sony LA-EA2 (s'hand) to give it a test with my NEX-5.

@panoramix24:  You are probably in a good position to advise... having switched from DSLR to a EVIL...
If you have found any other limitations or irritations with the NEX-7 please share.  I would be very interested in hearing any feedback  :)
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Re: Some thoughts on the NEX 7
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2012, 04:08:30 PM »
Simon,

Please can you provide some feedback when you have been able to test whether the Sony LA-EA2 adaptor gives better AF than the LA-EA1. Many thanks.

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Re: Some thoughts on the NEX 7
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2012, 09:02:11 PM »
Please can you provide some feedback when you have been able to test whether the Sony LA-EA2 adaptor gives better AF than the LA-EA1. Many thanks.

Will do.  These videos are what convinced me that it was definitely worth checking out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtDrwkFipoU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jagPH5axzDs

The AF tracking for video also looks great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByMSMiwECBQ


More more question on the NEX-7 ... I have seen reports of overheating while taking video... has anyone on this forum had any issues?

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Re: Some thoughts on the NEX 7
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2012, 10:48:18 PM »
I don't believe I have further nuisance on the NEX 7. For me it is getting back to the basics on how to focus. At the end, and I think that will be the challenge for all people who love OVF is if they go mirror less and not NEX7 how can they focus or compose without putting the camera next to the eye?

A lot of the other sites blast the NEX 7 and all the other EVF cameras for being EVF. My stance is that those people have forgotten about photography. For me it is the result when you print out. If the EVF or OVF makes their job more difficult, then bad luck; EVF/OVF in my mind are just to frame the pic. The remaining is PP, where the beauty of the pic is brought up. (yes a good VF should help but still people didn't nag when analog was the only way).
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Re: Some thoughts on the NEX 7
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2012, 10:52:00 PM »
A further comment on size. The camera seems to be the same size whether you use the kit lens or the 50mm lens. I have a feeling that it will be the same size when I get to see the 24mm Zeiss. The only lens that is truly smaller is the 16mm.

The other word of caution that I bring in, is that not all the Sony lenses appear to be Optically Stabilized. I cannot confirm whether the 24 & 30mm are OSS, but the 18-55 and the 50 are. So as you build your kit some people will need to remember that.

I will post later a pic of the lenses for size review.

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Re: Some thoughts on the NEX 7
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2012, 12:03:34 AM »
The nex 7 with the kit lens (18-55). beside is the e50mm. They are basically the same size




Follow by a side by side of the Original minolta 50mm 1.7 against the sony e50



Just as a trivia comment. The back element of the minolta lens does move in and out of the barrel as the focus ring is turned. The sony remains in the same place.

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Re: Some thoughts on the NEX 7
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2012, 02:14:04 AM »
I usually travel with the Sony super zoom DSC-HX1 but hated the shutter lag so I have put together a Nex-7 "system" mainly when I want to travel light.
I will chime in for some thoughts after a couple of short trips using just Nex-7, SEL18-200 and Zeiss Sel 24f1.8

1. Although much quicker than the HX1 but be aware of the limitation of the Contrast Base AF. Speed is OK but the main shortcoming is you have to use DMF to confirm whether the sharpest focused point is where you want it. For example, the camera might decide on some jewelry around the neck instead of the eye. Good thing the manual focus and peaking is VERY good so using non AF adapter and MF lenses like the STF is very easy.

2. No more in camera anti-shake so lens like the 18-200 with OSS is great but one has to go back to the inverse focal length "rule" for shutter speed with lenses like the 24mmZeiss (would that be 35mm equivalent so 1/35 sec?)

3. The hood design for lenses like the Zeiss 24mm and the 50mm is such that some protective filters with thick rim would block the fitting on of the hood.

4. Fat/long lens like the 18-200 would block the internal flash and the low light AF assisst light. The AF light is in body and not the same as the ones on FA58, 43 or other Sony/Minolta flashes.

5. The weight is pretty light even with the 18-200 so one can get away with light tripod or trek-pod.

6. I have small hands so I have only video my feet a few times by accident but larger hands beware.

7. Nex-7 and Zeiss 24mm SEL is somehow the best combo for food I have used so far.
 


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Re: Some thoughts on the NEX 7
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2012, 12:32:55 PM »

@FarmerDave
Thanks for the insight.. 
I'm thinking for fast lenses the better option will be to use A mount lenses with the EA2 adapter (where you can control the focus point like on a DSLR).  For smallish lenses like the 50mm/1.4, maybe this won't add that migh in terms of physical size or weight?  What do you think?
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Re: Some thoughts on the NEX 7
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2012, 10:44:01 PM »

@FarmerDave
Thanks for the insight.. 
I'm thinking for fast lenses the better option will be to use A mount lenses with the EA2 adapter (where you can control the focus point like on a DSLR).  For smallish lenses like the 50mm/1.4, maybe this won't add that migh in terms of physical size or weight?  What do you think?

True, but couple of considerations.
Native Nex 50mm not as fast as 1.4 but has OSS, not as good as 18-200 OSS but definitely helps.
By adding EA2, this is no longer mirrorless arrangement. Some people buy the Nex-7 for that not because of size and weight, if they want mirror that would have gone the A65/A77 route.

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Re: Some thoughts on the NEX 7
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2012, 09:42:32 AM »

@FarmerDave
Thanks for the insight.. 
I'm thinking for fast lenses the better option will be to use A mount lenses with the EA2 adapter (where you can control the focus point like on a DSLR).  For smallish lenses like the 50mm/1.4, maybe this won't add that migh in terms of physical size or weight?  What do you think?

True, but couple of considerations.
Native Nex 50mm not as fast as 1.4 but has OSS, not as good as 18-200 OSS but definitely helps.
By adding EA2, this is no longer mirrorless arrangement. Some people buy the Nex-7 for that not because of size and weight, if they want mirror that would have gone the A65/A77 route.

Thanks.  Looks like you've sold me on the NEX-7.

I have considered the a77, but it's just too big. If there was a smaller body a77 (a33 size) with similar features (high resolution viewfinder etc), then that would be more tempting.
I'm sold on the idea of the 'modular' system; Proper AF when you need it, albeit at the expense of weight & size, but flexible such that it can be removed into a lighter package. 
The EA2 also seems to solve the problem of lack of E mount lenses, but also there is never going to be a small & lightweight 85/1.4 or similar for APS-C (which is important for me looking for a one solution camera)

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