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Title: Nex cameras
Post by: Stef. on September 27, 2010, 04:40:29 PM
Out of curiosity: has anybody here experience with either the Nex 3 or 5 and are you thinking about getting one?
Stef.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Rob aka [minolta mad] on September 27, 2010, 04:41:49 PM
No and No !


Rob
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: REX (aka TG) on September 27, 2010, 04:55:21 PM
Before i buy a camera i like to read the PDF file instruction manual. When have read it i decided that this is not a camera for me but my wife like it a lot.

After i show her the induction video of a55 she said this sound much better.
I agree with her because she can at least use all my lens but with Nex only SSM(from my collection)
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Stef. on September 27, 2010, 06:36:31 PM
Well, there is a firmware upgrade for the Nex cameras in October that let's you use all the Alpha mount lenses in AF. The reason why I am asking: I am still in search for a compact size camera that delivers SLR quality images. I have bought numerous digital compact cameras over the last couple of years, but none comes near to what a DSLR is capable of. I know, before you start throwing all sorts of digital cameras at me that might perform fantastically well, that there are some good compacts out there. Nevertheless, none of them would give me "exhibition quality" A3 size prints. The Nex models apparently do that. I am aware that there are quite a few issues with them, but the only thing I am really interested in is the end result- the final print quality.
Anyhow, just thought I go fishing for some of your opinions...
Stef.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: REX (aka TG) on September 27, 2010, 06:45:37 PM
....Well, there is a firmware upgrade for the Nex cameras in October that let's you use all the Alpha mount lenses in AF...
As far as i know only (SSM/SAM from A mount) will work with the new firmware.
The E mount SAM & SSM work already with the Nex series
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: winjeel on September 28, 2010, 07:27:39 AM
I've played with one in the store, and a friend got one that I had a go of. I couldn't understand the old menu system they have (before the upgrade). They look handy for travelling, but they're not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: hopeless on September 28, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
I've had the NEX-5 for a few months now.... and I love it! It beats the pants off my a200 in almost every single situation except wildlife photography (the a200 + 70-300G is better). I wanted a better camera and, frankly, Sony was not obliging with any of the recent aXXX series so I jumped to the NEX (I'm still hoping for a decent updated a700 though I fear I'll be disappointed). I carry the NEX most of the time now (family outings, walks etc) because it's convenient and gives me the quality I'm after. I only bring the a200 when I want to use one of my A-mount lenses for a particular subject.

The photo quality is amazing, particularly the high ISO. I'd never go above ISO800 with the a200, and even that would be grudgingly and I'd probably throw the shot away (normally I'm restricted to ISO100-400). The NEX is very good up to ISO1600, and Lightroom 3 does a very good job of removing that noise. I never thought ISO speed was a big deal (particularly the insane high ISO modes) but having great quality images at ISO1600 opens up lots of possibilities. The liveview also makes night shots (i.e., star trails or even IR photography) much easier because you can see the exposure and use the LCD to focus manually.

Feature-wise, the sweep panorama, auto-HDR and handheld twilight modes are very good and useful too (though not infallible). The menu system is a little odd but it doesn't take long to get used to. The forthcoming firmware update will fix most of the issues though I'd live with the current system. I'm looking forward to the new E-mount lenses and seeing what some fast/sharp glass will do for the images.

If you're interested, I wrote a full review for Warehouse Express, including sample images: http://blog.warehouseexpress.com/sony-alpha-nex-5/ (http://blog.warehouseexpress.com/sony-alpha-nex-5/)
There's a few more full-res *unprocessed* images here: http://hopeless.smugmug.com/Photography/NEX-Samples/13413653_r9W9X#976048874_Cn2sb (http://hopeless.smugmug.com/Photography/NEX-Samples/13413653_r9W9X#976048874_Cn2sb)

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Stef. on September 28, 2010, 05:21:04 PM
Thanks for the very informative reviews!
Stef.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Sarie on September 30, 2010, 02:25:28 PM
I haven't used it but toyed with it for a while, it is an interesting piece of equipment, but again it is not for me as well. Meanwhile, my son is in love with it, although he uses my a380, he feels that the Nex5 is the thing. He is saving for one, his biggest attraction is that he can shoot panoramic pictures easily. He is heading the editing team in his school so I guess it makes sense from his perspective to have the latest technology.
Sarie
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Stef. on September 30, 2010, 04:27:09 PM
...Just got one.... :-[
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: hopeless on September 30, 2010, 04:31:29 PM
oh! Would love to hear your thoughts in a few days... just please don't blame me if you hate it!

New firmware should be out in 2 weeks too
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Bigbreakfast on September 30, 2010, 09:06:38 PM
Hmmm I'm curious too - and especially interested in the ability to use A mount lenses.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Stef. on September 30, 2010, 11:09:00 PM
Here is an image shot with the Nex 5:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15931938@N05/5040227324/sizes/o/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15931938@N05/5040227324/sizes/o/in/photostream/)

I am not posting it here as downsizing does not do it any favour. The link anyhow only gets you to the 800x800 pixel version.
So far I am mighty impressed...
Stef.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: chappo1 on September 30, 2010, 11:32:19 PM
Sony is giving folks lots of options but I wish they would get on the A700 replacement !!!....john
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Stef. on September 30, 2010, 11:44:41 PM
John- I wouldn't worry to much. I do think we'll see the replacement rather sooner than later. Just a gut feeling from all the interviews that I have heard. Time to write your xmas list?
Stef.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Desmo on October 01, 2010, 08:26:50 PM
I'm with Stef on this: I'd be very interested in a compact with a nice pancake zoom lens that could also take my CZ lenses etc when needed.
My wife could use it most of the time to replace her aging Canon compact and I could use it as a backup in case the unthinkable happened on a shoot.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Sarie on October 01, 2010, 09:08:38 PM
That is a good idea Desmo. use it as a backup when needed and it being a primary hardware for your spouse. Like the concept.
Sarie
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: REX (aka TG) on October 02, 2010, 07:55:21 AM
Something you may be interested

Reverse ring for macro photography with Nex

http://sonyalphanex.blogspot.com/2010/10/sony-nex-reverse-lens-macro-adapter.html
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Marked on October 04, 2010, 02:57:08 AM
Hi Stef, I was wondering if there is a multiplying effect when using a mount lenses on the Nex, the body seems slim enough to have a glassless adaptor that makes up for the extra depth of an SLR body.

Mark
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Stef. on October 04, 2010, 08:04:52 PM
Mark- I am not sure whether I understand you correctly, but the adapter to mount Alpha/ Sigma...and so on lenses onto the Nex is without any peece of glass- you can actually put your finger through the adapter ;)
Does this answer your question?
Stef.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Marked on October 05, 2010, 12:21:00 AM
Yes it does thanks Stef, it really makes the Nex a universal camera, you could use any makers lenses with obvious limitation but at least at their correct focal length, I was just thinking about all the obsolete MD mount lenses.

Mark
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Stef. on October 05, 2010, 12:43:26 AM
Yes it does thanks Stef, it really makes the Nex a universal camera, you could use any makers lenses with obvious limitation but at least at their correct focal length, I was just thinking about all the obsolete MD mount lenses.

Mark

And a lot of people do!
See here for some good threads:
http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=45)

Stef.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Marked on October 05, 2010, 02:00:50 AM
Very interesting forum Stef, I just spent the best part of an hour following threads, it's exciting to think that there is a full frame Nex in the works.

Mark
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Stef. on October 05, 2010, 08:28:55 PM
Very interesting forum Stef, I just spent the best part of an hour following threads, it's exciting to think that there is a full frame Nex in the works.

Mark

Mark, frankly I am not interested in a full frame Nex. I assume that a full frame Nex will be bigger than the Nex 5. I bought it as a replacement for all the compact cameras that I own as I was never happy with the results from all of them. As said before, i.e. the Canon G10 can give you very good results, but you need to put quite a bit of work into the post-processing to get the best out of this camera. Furthermore it will never be able to compete with a dSLR. The Nex does. It does give me astonishing good images- on par with the A700.

With the kit lens the camera is not as small as my G10 but still small enough to slip it into my coat pocket. Also if you take the lens of, it is just about the size of a pack of cigarettes and it does not take space up in my camera bad as a back up to my A900. I have no quandries whatsoever re th image quality of th Nex camera- frankly I was pretty surprised to see howgood this little camera performs.

Some people say that using the Nex camera with i.e. a 70-200G lens might be very tricky because of the relationship between the little body and the long lens. This is only partially true. Once you use a tripod, there will be no problem whatsoever. Shooting with a very long lens would require some kind of tripod anyhow. I do believe that handling the Nex with a Sony lens and adapter is more about getting used to it than it is really a problem.

At the end of the day- it does what I want it to do: it shoots very nice images and the icing of the cake is that the videos are quite usable. Nevertheless, the next full frame for me will be the replcaement of the A900.

Stef.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Marked on October 08, 2010, 01:58:58 AM
Stef, I'm not that interested in getting one myself I'd like to move into full frame but with an SLR or in the future maybe an SLT but since full frame sensors have so far been expensive to produce and used only in high end cameras a full frame compact is an exiting move I think, The Nex has been so well received I'll be interested to see how Sony market it because I imagine it won't be cheap to produce.

Mark
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Stef. on October 08, 2010, 05:56:03 AM
Yes Mark I do agree. But frankly I don't see this coming. All Nex lenses are NOT full format and to use your full format lenses on the Nex you need the adapter. For a Nex 7 to be full frame they would have to develop E mount full frame lenses first and I don't see this coming in the nex(t) ;) future. BUT one never knows...
Stef.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Marked on October 10, 2010, 03:12:48 AM
That makes sense, I guess we have plenty of other things to look forward to from Sony with their SLTs, their certainly not resting on their laurels.

Mark

Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Simon [aka springtide] on October 19, 2010, 05:35:46 PM

When they were released I thought they looked a little odd... but I had a look at these in John Lewis... and have been tempted by the NEX3 (as you can get one for £350 in the UK).

They are actually pretty small - and I could see it being very useful as a lighter option to the a900, but with much better IQ than my compact.

If it had a proper hotshoe - I'd be even more tempted.  Apparently the SLT bodies are also pretty small (and the EVF's very good).... so have also been thinking of one of these if the prices come down.  Think is, I don't want to pay big money for what is a third camera option, which mostly would only really be used on occasion.

I lugged my a900 to Cyprus in the summer as I didn't want just a compact (I needed to take a family photo for my parents), but the NEX would have been ideal I'm sure.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: electricgudgeon on November 10, 2010, 10:23:06 PM
Out of curiosity: has anybody here experience with either the Nex 3 or 5 and are you thinking about getting one?
Stef.

Well, I have just ordered one from my local Jessops today Stef, and will be picking it up on saturday afternoon.

After reading so many positive reviews about these little things, and having had a play around with one in store I was interested. The straw that broke the camels back was the VAT back offer from Sony - I will get almost £90 back from my £600 (for an NEX5, 16mm pancake and the 18-55mm kit lens) outlay which is 15% so very pleased. It will be great to have a "carry everwhere" camera at last.

I have also ordered an adapter from ebay so that I can use the ever growing collection of old MD primes with the dimunituve NEX 5. Just a few weeks ago I was lucky to find  a mint 35mmF1.4 Rokkor for £7.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Stef. on November 10, 2010, 10:32:12 PM
electricgudgeon - I have got mine for about 4 weeks and love the little beast! Keep us updated on your findings.
Stef.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: d7d (aka Ronin, aka Shot by scott) on November 15, 2010, 10:59:56 AM
all ,y friends are getting NEX 5's at the moment..... I want one as well nut will wait until i can use it properly in the studio 
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Stef. on November 15, 2010, 05:05:39 PM
Why can't you use it in the studio? Mine works very well with my studio flashes, but than admittedly- in the studio it would not really occur to me to use it as that's where the A900 excells.
Stef.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: electricgudgeon on November 29, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
electricgudgeon - I have got mine for about 4 weeks and love the little beast! Keep us updated on your findings.
Stef.

Well I have had mine a little over two weeks now and I am beginning to enjoy this tiny tot of the alpha family.
It is still taking time getting used to the concept of no viewfinder to look through but this has also opened up new angles to shoot from. So far, I am impressed - you can take this tiny thing anywhere even with the 18-55mm kit lens it won't be hard to find a place on your personage (unless you walk around clad in lycra).

I have been impressed with its use at night - handheld shots with no flash are possible by using it at iso 1600:


(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5081/5217736645_4d0eca12ac_z.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5244/5218320792_a442ec0228_z.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4126/5218326816_c106ed202d_z.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5041/5218322300_b6e55140e9_z.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5047/5217736927_501a1f1e7b_z.jpg)

The only slight negative so far is battery life - the live view does drain battery and what with the cold weather at the moment you definetley need a fully charged spare with you. I have still got to test it yet in good light at low ISO but I think it will be ok.

All in all pleasantly surpised, and its portability is just exceptional.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Stef. on November 29, 2010, 05:51:03 PM
Quote
All in all pleasantly surpised, and its portability is just exceptional.

So am I. I have shot some images at night at the night setting and couldn't believe my eyes! The pano function is also one of my favs. The only flaw that I have found so far is that you can not lock exposure and then re-compose. The way around is to emasure exposure values first, then set the camera to M and then shoot or alternatively you can shoot in manual focus and then lock the exposure by pressing the shutter half way.
Anyhow- it is the first camera that I have that I can take with me for travelling without compromising image quality. Usually in the past when I took my Canon G10 I always wished I had the A700 or A900 on me as image quality always lacked.
I am a very happy bunny with the Nex 5!
Stef.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: philjo on April 11, 2011, 02:04:50 PM
I had a play with one of these in Jessops the other day.  I am looking for a replacement for my old Minolta DImage A300 compact which I find a bit slow & limited in flexibility so one of the NEX models will probably do the trick (or possibly a sony compact) - main uses are for when walking up hills etc when I do not want to carry the A700 & lenses around with me for 12 miles.
Also, it would allow use of RAW etc - can only do JPG on my compact at the moment.

Is there much difference between the NEX-3 and the NEX-5 models?
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: pttdds on April 12, 2011, 09:30:31 PM
Philjo,

Never gone wrong following Stef.'s advice. 

I have the Nex 5 and have found it a delight for travel, just as she has reported. 

Have no experience with the Nex 3.

Don 
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Rob aka [minolta mad] on April 12, 2011, 09:50:09 PM
Is there much difference between the NEX-3 and the NEX-5 models?

They are almost identical in their performance and specs, except the Nex 5 allows full HD video recording whereas the Nex 3 doesnt.
A side by side review can be found Here (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/SonyNex5Nex3/)


Rob
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: philjo on April 14, 2011, 03:18:33 PM
Thanks Rob.

Am I correct in thinking that the Alpha Mount adaptor only provides AF with SAM/SSM lenses? (which restricts its use to my Sigma 50-150mm f2.8 & Sony 70-300G as all my other lenses need the camera motor for AF)

Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: hopeless on April 14, 2011, 04:21:30 PM
Is there much difference between the NEX-3 and the NEX-5 models?

They are almost identical in their performance and specs, except the Nex 5 allows full HD video recording whereas the Nex 3 doesnt.
A side by side review can be found Here (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/SonyNex5Nex3/)


Rob

The NEX-5 also has an IR port for a remote (not supplied, but easy to get on eBay or with some alphas) and a slightly better/bigger grip shape to the NEX-3
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Bluebear on April 14, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
I just bought one today (twin lens pack!) and will now be selling my PEN and a couple of lenses on ebay.  I found it frsutrating in many ways.  The Nex 5 also feels so well built.  Now I need to change my signature!
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: hopeless on April 14, 2011, 06:44:06 PM
I just bought one today (twin lens pack!) and will now be selling my PEN and a couple of lenses on ebay.  I found it frsutrating in many ways.  The Nex 5 also feels so well built.  Now I need to change my signature!

Cool... You won't regret it. It's a fun and versatile camera that produces superb images. I've just been out trying a Nikon 24mm lens on a tilt adapter connected to the NEX: like I said, versatile and fun :-)
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Rob aka [minolta mad] on April 14, 2011, 08:56:00 PM
Am I correct in thinking that the Alpha Mount adaptor only provides AF with SAM/SSM lenses? (which restricts its use to my Sigma 50-150mm f2.8 & Sony 70-300G as all my other lenses need the camera motor for AF)

Yes, that is correct.


Rob
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Rob aka [minolta mad] on April 17, 2011, 09:33:00 PM
I also now have a Nex 5 camera. Well as of last week really.
Its a great camera and the image quality is superb. I debated for many months about getting one and all i can say is im not dissapointed.
Im now actually selling the A700. This main reasons for getting the nex is that the A700 is just to big and bulky to carry around for a day out with the family. Another factor was the video.

Its a little strange at first getting used to the menu system when you been using the A700/900 one for 3 years and having no viewfinder is strange.
(and Yes, i have on a couple of occasions put it upto my eye :roll:) The size of it is another weird feeling, when youve gotten used to the size and weight of the A900, but its great at the end of the day after a day out with the family as you hardly know its there.
I ended up getting the twin lens kit, though as yet have only tried the 16mm lens just to make sure its alright.


Rob
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: philjo on April 18, 2011, 09:51:16 PM
Where is the best place to buy at the moment - the cheapest prices I could find with stock available for the twin lens kit were Jessops & also Jacobs.

Are the lenses available in both colours - is it better to go for a black or silver body?

I will be in London at the end of next week so hopefully there will be some bank holiday offers on!
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: hopeless on April 18, 2011, 09:54:38 PM
I think the lenses only come in silver (open to correction though). Many people seem to prefer the black as it looks more serious - I eventually decided on the silver because it doesn't look serious... so I can sneak it into places where SLRs are not appreciated (gigs, meetings, conferences etc)
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Stef. on April 18, 2011, 09:59:00 PM
Congrats to your purchase Rob. I agree with your findings. It takes some time to get used to, but it does deliver the best quality that I have ever seen from a "compact" camera.
Stef.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Bluebear on May 22, 2011, 08:21:13 AM
Here are a few images taken on my recent trip to Seville & Granada.  Taken with the Nex5 and 18-55, shot in RAW, processed in DXO and converted to Mono in Elements 8:

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk61/Bluebear365/Amadeus-Alley.jpg)

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk61/Bluebear365/Chatting-2.jpg)

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk61/Bluebear365/Bored.jpg)

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk61/Bluebear365/Feet-Up.jpg)
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: eddieitman on May 22, 2011, 08:27:27 AM
Very nice images, I grew up in Granada as a child, well more specifically a little village called Huetor Vega.
A truly wonderful place
Those images are great would love to see more
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: Bluebear on May 22, 2011, 08:28:20 AM
And a couple more:

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk61/Bluebear365/Age-Gap.jpg)

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk61/Bluebear365/Sketching-Session.jpg)

I'm very impressed with the quality from this camera as well as its unobtrusiveness for these type of shots.  I've ordered the A-mount adaptor, and can't wait to try the Nex with my recently acquired 135 STF - should be fun!  The only down-side is the lack of IBIS, so I'll need to use a monopod/tripod I think.

Watch this space!!  :-D
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: subbu68 on July 09, 2011, 01:29:42 PM
Got a NEX to A mount adaptor, updated the firmware and mounted the 70300 G lens. Wow... test shots from our house window came out good. Would take it out sometime and post some pics.

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6015/5918494378_511c7d0c6b_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: hopeless on July 09, 2011, 05:22:12 PM
Have you tried out the new "peaking" function? I have a Nikon adapter and it makes using these manual lenses so easy!
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: subbu68 on July 09, 2011, 05:42:17 PM
NEX is primarly my wife's camera. Even she has not been getting time to 'learn' it fully. I haven't tried out much in that excpet I use it on A mode.

BTW what is this 'peaking' function.
Title: Re: Nex cameras
Post by: hopeless on July 09, 2011, 05:54:07 PM
Ah, sorry. In the latest firmware, you can enable a "peaking" highlight of in-focus edges. So, for manual lenses (like the Nikon 24mm I use) I don't have to rely on the focus assist magnification to ensure i've got the focus right. As I adjust the focus, the NEX highlights the in-focus edges with a White (or red/yellow) border.

It's very useful when the subject is moving and focus assist isn't much use. I'm sure there was a YouTube video but I might make my own tonight