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Re: New full frame (NEX) a7 & a7R
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2013, 01:03:31 AM »
It is emount and those cameras have no stabilisation.

So far.

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Re: New full frame (NEX) a7 & a7R
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2013, 05:26:06 AM »
It is emount and those cameras have no stabilisation.

So far.

You are right Stef

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When they put Stabilisation & make also faster lens then the A-mount is gone. This is what Sony will try to do in within max 5 years or with the introduction of a9 at next summer photokina.

I don't want to be negative I am here in DD forum for 7 years I never wrote anything bad about Sony and I had always faith in Sony even after they bought Minolta and they started slowly slowly to grow up.

I have enough A mount lens and body's and I am not planning to buy anything else in A mount because the future is unsure. I like Sony very much and the only investment I may make in the next year is the 18-105G for NEX6.

This strange feeling came when I saw the two new 70-200G lens. The E mount brand new, new design, new collar to not disturbed the holding with battery grip and f4 and the A mount exactly the same as the Minolta from 2003. I can,t believe that Sony didn't know that the collar of the 70-200 GI disturbed the holding the Dynax 7D/Sony a700/Sony a77/a99.  That lens was designed by Minolta for Dynax7/9 so the lens needed update at least at the design and functionality of the lens with the latest body's. But even this small cosmetic improvement they were not made. They force all attention on E mount and they reintroduce the 70-200G from Minolta with just (Nano coating & 4x faster AF) Same with 70-400GII and 300GII

Even if they introduce one or two a mount body's in the next years and  they don't build any new (really new) lens then the end of a mount is very close.
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Re: New full frame (NEX) a7 & a7R
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2013, 03:23:43 PM »
Maybe it's a bit of glass half full/half empty.  If Sony continues to provide updates for the existing lenses plus a couple high end new ones each year (i.e. 500 f/4, Zeiss 50 f/1.4) and and new bodies to mount them on, I call that support.  Support, I would add, for a mount that is over 25 years old that Sony really didn't want in the first place.  I continue to look forward to the time when I can buy a DSLR-like body with both A and E-mount.  I will have the choice of lenses like the excellent A-mount 70-200 f/2.8 or the lighter, smaller 70-200 f/4 in E-mount!  Life is good!

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Re: New full frame (NEX) a7 & a7R
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2013, 06:03:26 PM »
I continue to look forward to the time when I can buy a DSLR-like body with both A and E-mount.  I will have the choice of lenses like the excellent A-mount 70-200 f/2.8 or the lighter, smaller 70-200 f/4 in E-mount!  Life is good!

That's quite a wish. For now E mount A7 with A to E adaptor!!!
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Re: New full frame (NEX) a7 & a7R
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2013, 08:27:50 PM »
I think Rex you forget a vital point: no in body stabilisation like with the A99. It is emount and those cameras have no stabilisation.
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This is an excellent point and one of the reasons I've loved the A-Mount Alpha series cameras so much.

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Re: New full frame (NEX) a7 & a7R
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2013, 12:33:24 AM »
Rex...I am not so sure about this just yet. I do not think that Sony will abandon the A-mount that quickly. Time will tell. There have been interviews where Sony representatives clearly stated that A mount will continue at the higher end. What I can see though is them not developing a full range of A mount models.

See here for example:
http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/slr-vs-slt-vs-mirrorless-a99-successor_topic101893_post1220229_SID48617808b8231f6621ddaf91553ef0234375.html#1220229

"Concerning a possible a99 successor or future a99 sibling...

On the very serious Swedish photo web site fotosidan.se there was an interesting report from Sony’s presentation of the new a7 and other stuff.
Link: http://www.fotosidan.se/cldoc/sony-a7-och-a7r-tva-fullformatare.htm

After writing about the news, the following section caught my interest:
“Fler kameror pa gang
Pa pressvisningen berättade Yoshiyuki Nogama att en videoinriktad systemkamera med A-fattning är pa gang. Den ska konkurrera med Canon Eos 5D Mark III och kommer ha Ultra-HD-video (4K). Vi gissar att det är en vidareutveckling av Sony A99.
Sonychefen berättade ocksa att Sony längre fram kommer med en riktigt snabb smabildskamera för actionfotografering.”

Translated to English:
“More cameras on the way
On the press meeting Yoshiyuki Nogama told us that a video-targeted system camera with A-mount is on the way/being developed. It shall compete with Canon EOS 5D Mk III and will have Ultra HD video (4K). We guess that this is a continuation of Sony a99.
The Sony director also told us that further ahead Sony will launch a really fast full frame camera for action photography,”

I think what we seem to forget is that Sony has brought out the 4K video cameras and I can see them putting the technology in their A99 successor. The nex models and the A7 and A7r are not seen as high end models.

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Re: New full frame (NEX) a7 & a7R
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2013, 04:04:27 AM »
I like it that some people see this not so negative as I see it, time will tell.

I remember when they introduce a99 with only 5 lens supporting AF-D and I was one of the people I was 100% sure that they will add more lens and especially the sport lens and after 6 months they did and I am very happy :)

One of the reason I wrote about this is that a Sony representative claim the they follow the forums and they take in account what Sony customer like and dislike.

I have a friend he works in UK by Jaguar and I ask him if on internet for example (Jaguar forums etc) makes problem for them when they (the customers) investigate any problems on cars that the company until the production didn't find and he told me we have people watching the forums 24 hours and as soon they see a problem rumors they investigate it to be ready for to solve problem.
He said
'' we use customers and forums to collect faster and easier malfunction that may appears on cars that we were not able to investigate in that short period of testing and final production''
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Re: New full frame (NEX) a7 & a7R
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2013, 03:04:42 AM »
Ive always wanted to stay with sony. Although I've never seriously invested in glass for the A mount. I always like shooting sony and I knew I would stick to sony as I progress further into photography. So when my a700 started showing signs of a weakening sensor I bought the A99 and planned an assault on ebay for zeiss glass. 6 days later that A99 broke! An expedited replacement arrived at my door 3 days later... also broken, and with the same error!

The error? Steady Shot System Has Malfunctioned. The cameras were usable albeit with and annoying "error" on the screen and annoying popup warning at every button press. I dont know if there are other A99 batches with easily disrupted stabilization but these 2 are enough to convince me there might be a problem.

Ok so no A99 for me... What then? Not tied to any format with other glass I'm free to shoot anything. Enter the sony a7 and a7r. Smaller (lighter), better processing power, higher res, No stabilization but with stabilized lenses and a native dual mode AF (a7) with PDAF and Contrast AF. Im in.

I can see how A mount users would be upset but Sony wont drop A mount.  They wouldnt have updated their white teles if they planned to drop the mount. They wouldnt have announced the 70-200gII (on paper) if they planned to drop the mount. The A99 missed the target too video oriented and not the total package, slow processing and interface, and a poorly made chinese grip that hardly matches the body. They will learn from this and fix it for the next round. There is a 4K camera as steffed mention coming in the future and a faster beast for a more real "pro" target (think d4, 1dx).

I ordered the a7 and sel35f28z, the sel55f18z and 70-200f4 will be next.

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Re: New full frame (NEX) a7 & a7R
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2013, 06:14:13 PM »
Hi KLarkin,

Very sad to hear about that kind of quality problems. I've been using a99 for nearly a year without any problems (you hear me knocking the wood).

Hope the a7 will satisfy your needs.

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Re: New full frame (NEX) a7 & a7R
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2013, 07:14:48 PM »
Very bad to hear so many problems with a99 users,as Kurt says "Knock on wood" a99 is very relyable for me.

Good luck and post some pictures with a7
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