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Re: Sony PMA announcements....
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2010, 11:04:58 PM »
Was this a press anouncement prior to the show- will they be revealing more during the show itself?

Would like to know if the A7XX has live-view and a full swivel screen.

I was hoping it would be full frame- I had been put off the idea of getting a CZ 16-80 lens for my A350.. as why spend £500 on a DT lens if full frame is the inevitable way forward.. I thought the A7XX might bring FF. Maybe now I should reconsider...

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Re: Sony PMA announcements....
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2010, 02:07:57 AM »
I was fully expecting a replacement for the A700 at the PMA, and I was hoping it would be full frame. It is quite disconcerting that the A700 has been unavailable for some time now (at least in Canada) then to find that we still have no idea what will replace it. This does not seem like good marketing by Sony. As far as I am concerned I could care less about small (Evil) cameras, or Sony trying to take on Olympus and Panasonic. I think Sony have too many DSLRs right now and with no A700 series in that lineup they could lose some credibility.
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Re: Sony PMA announcements....
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2010, 04:48:50 AM »
They didn't give a name because they were waitting to see our reaction ... :)

Now that they know that is not what we were expecting from the a700 replacement they will call it a650 or what ever to have space to introduce another model a really replacement and FF (my opinion)

Also about the position of several bottoms(No ISO/WB) will make them consider again.
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Re: Sony PMA announcements....
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2010, 01:01:10 PM »
I was fully expecting a replacement for the A700 at the PMA

Didn't we get one? The larger of those two new DSLR's is surely the new A700? I really can't see Sony announcing a sub £1000 full frame DSLR, it would immediately undermine sales of its two flag ship camera's the A850 and A900.

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Re: Sony PMA announcements....
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2010, 01:19:14 PM »
Why is there this obsession with a FF a700 replacement?

We currently have the cheapest FF camera on the market.  Sony recently introduced what will eventually be a cheaper model in the a850.  To do that again would be madness and a waste.  The a700 was the best APS-C camera in the lineup, to replace that with a FF would be to render a lot of a700 owners lens useless for the replacement (that includes myself).  As well as making the current 500 series the best we can expect currently.   Now the recent 500's are fine cameras, but ask anyone who owns a a700 if they would consider a replacement to what i consider a inferior camera.

If the specs are correct we are going to have a very good replacement 700 series in a  few months.

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Re: Sony PMA announcements....
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2010, 02:14:38 PM »
Who says indeed that the new line-up is a 700 replacement? And the FF replacement in this range is nothing more then a wish in the mind of the beholder. Would be nice, but very unrealistic unless Sony becomes a charity organization.

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« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2010, 05:10:38 PM »
I personally don't think that any replacement of the A700 will be ff. I also don't think that they can make the ffs any cheaper at the moment. That's what the 850 was for.
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« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2010, 05:34:48 PM »
I personally don't think that any replacement of the A700 will be ff. I also don't think that they can make the ffs any cheaper at the moment. That's what the 850 was for.
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Re: Sony PMA announcements....
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2010, 05:58:10 PM »
Look at this, its intresting from 36 seconds onward. Make sure you listen from around 55 seconds. The Sony Rep is talking about the A700 replacement. Also note the reflection of the new A7XX?? Model whenthe camera pans past it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufIxDfXfpGQ

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Re: Sony PMA announcements....
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2010, 06:04:53 PM »
I personally don't think that any replacement of the A700 will be ff. I also don't think that they can make the ffs any cheaper at the moment. That's what the 850 was for.
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Soon or later all the line of camera Manufacture will become FF so why not Sony to be always the first manufacture and in affordable price ;)

??? Why desert the APS-C format and make ALL future cameras full frame? There are, surely, some good/great APS-C lenses available and to have no updated body/ies for these in the future would make me quite angry if they become obsolete >:(

I've expressed the opinion before about SONY making too many variations "on a theme" and too many alpha bodies goes in that.

I'm not really that interested in replacing the a700 yet BUT I'll admit to becoming concerned about being left in the cold by SONY in regards to firmware updates etc for the a700 and being forced to upgrade the a700 body for another sooner than I would have. As an aside, the a850 didn't get a great review in this months DP mag so doesn't make me want to put money in to that model anyway - sorry... and no disrespect to those that are using the a850.

Message to SONY: Get and release another firmware update for the a700 --- as was rumoured about ages ago last year with options for front/back focus adjustments etc. Support your loyal customers.
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Re: Sony PMA announcements....
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2010, 09:03:00 PM »
Frank- some people and I am one of them agree with Sony's argument that only cameras that are faulty need firmware upgrades. Canon is a brand that usually comes out with new models very quickly and then later on resolves issues with firmware upgrades.Firmware upgrades are not good news- they are bad news and they mean that the company has made a mistake when releasing the camera. It's not good advertisement when a manufacturer needs to come out with a lot of upgrades- at last IMHO.
Re.: ff: I do think that over the next ten years we will have a development towards ff frame cameras and away from APS size. I think it is in the long run cheaper for manufacturers to concentrate on ff than on both sizes. I also believe that the whole ISO issues will be resolved and that the next step will be how to implement video successfully(!)
Sony has already developped a huge camera line up over the last couple of years and yes I do believe they come out with a new A700 but not ff.
Re.: the price: they have already the cheapest ff cameras on the market and I think ff will become cheaper over time.
Anyhow let's see what happens...
As said I expect them to come out with a model that they themselves will call "professional".
Re.: review of the 850: this really depends on which camera magazine you read. I have a subscription for most camera magazines from the UK/ Canada and US and really...the reviews differ greatly- for all camera models.
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Re: Sony PMA announcements....
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2010, 06:36:52 AM »
Why is there this obsession with a FF a700 replacement?

We currently have the cheapest FF camera on the market.  Sony recently introduced what will eventually be a cheaper model in the a850.  To do that again would be madness and a waste.  The a700 was the best APS-C camera in the lineup, to replace that with a FF would be to render a lot of a700 owners lens useless for the replacement (that includes myself).  As well as making the current 500 series the best we can expect currently.   Now the recent 500's are fine cameras, but ask anyone who owns a a700 if they would consider a replacement to what i consider a inferior camera.

If the specs are correct we are going to have a very good replacement 700 series in a  few months.


I think I should elaborate on my earlier post. I was a Minolta fan for many years and always bought the 7 series camera. I could have bought the 9 series (the Pro models) but I found that Minolta often used the 700 to introduce new technology. I was delighted when Sony quickly produced a 7 series camera (the A700) that blew away most of the competition and was technologically the most advanced camera at the time. This led me to believe that Sony were going to continue Minolta's tradition of making the 7 series a technology leader.

The A700 was the first with a 3" high resolution LCD when the competition was selling crummy little low resolution LCDs for a lot more money. This made the others follow the leader and benefited all photogs. They took Minolta's anti shake system and developed it, much to Canikon's dismay. Others followed. And it goes on....................

So why not a full frame A700 replacement? That would be a great technology leap. I would expect to pay more for it, but as we all know, these things all come down in price due to high volume sales and a full frame A7xx would surely have high volume sales. I do not see APS being made obsolete, that is here to stay. But for buyers of the 7 series Minolta and Sony cameras together with Canon and Nikon equivalent buyers, APS was a stop gap that allowed us to get into digital. Now that 35mm full frame has been introduced and has been proven to work with SSS (many doubted that it was possible) I want it in the 7 series. That's not an obsession, merely a desire to get back to Minolta's way's and to 35mm photography, in digital of course.

And what is wrong in having a 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 APS series camera followed by a 7, 8 and 9 full frame series? other than it being too many cameras when you consider they also have all the 2.x, 3.x 5.x variations, but that is not really my concern. The A550 looks to me to be an excellent candidate for an APS top of the line camera and I would certainly consider it as a backup if I was a pro who owned a A900/A850. But do we really need a A7XX in APS with AVCHD Video Capture? If that's what we are to get as a replacement for the A700, then I guess I will be buying a A850 or A900.

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Re: Sony PMA announcements....
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2010, 01:54:03 PM »
Frank- some people and I am one of them agree with Sony's argument that only cameras that are faulty need firmware upgrades. Canon is a brand that usually comes out with new models very quickly and then later on resolves issues with firmware upgrades.Firmware upgrades are not good news- they are bad news and they mean that the company has made a mistake when releasing the camera. It's not good advertisement when a manufacturer needs to come out with a lot of upgrades- at last IMHO.
Hi Stef. I may be being guilty of going way off topic here which if is the case I give my apologies and possibly this can be moved to a more appropriate area.

I hear where you are coming from on firmware upgrades, agree mostly, but isn't it also used as a means of making the camera that much more capable by enhancing certain areas that their developers have found a way of doing? Better high ISO quality and, from what I remember being spoken of on a "Firmware 5" possibility when the a700 was starting to be seen as being a future discontinued model, the ability for in camera back/front focus issues with some lenses? The back/front focus issue was also discussed on how to attempt it yourself [IF very confident] but I haven't found that thread yet.

I don't see firmware updates as being ALL bad news but a means of enhancing what is, in the a700, an already great camera and further support for customers that put their faith in SONY. My other thoughts are though that SONY, being as they are a company needing to keep making money and bring out zillions of different products, bring out the enhancements in newer models to force the customer to upgrade to a new camera body because it has XXX.
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Re.: ff: I do think that over the next ten years we will have a development towards ff frame cameras and away from APS size. I think it is in the long run cheaper for manufacturers to concentrate on ff than on both sizes. I also believe that the whole ISO issues will be resolved and that the next step will be how to implement video successfully(!)
Maybe I'm just looking at it over a too simplified way by seeing the APS format giving a longer focal length to a 35mm "ff slr" lens ??? A 90mm FF = to 135 in APS, 100 = to 150, 200 = 300 etc. Or am I just totally misunderstanding this part of APS against FF? Is it not beneficial to have an increase in focal length without the added weight in a FF lens? A 400 is 600 on APS but 400 is 400 on FF. Is it a case that the lens length is exactly the same and therefore you get the same end size photo in APS as FF but the "focus area" is 1.5 times larger to assist the focus "point"?
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Sony has already developped a huge camera line up over the last couple of years and yes I do believe they come out with a new A700 but not ff.
Re.: the price: they have already the cheapest ff cameras on the market and I think ff will become cheaper over time.
Anyhow let's see what happens...
As said I expect them to come out with a model that they themselves will call "professional".
I think you are right and many others are - have been - waiting with bated breath for some time now because the a700 is such a great camera they want to see want ways it can be improved upon. Possibly my main reason for being somewhat disgruntled with SONY is that I came in at the tail end of the a700 and when other improvements were on the cards for some future models. I'll admit that the possibility of a 7fps rather than the 5fps would have been seen as beneficial for me :)
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Re.: review of the 850: this really depends on which camera magazine you read. I have a subscription for most camera magazines from the UK/ Canada and US and really...the reviews differ greatly- for all camera models.
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Yes, I agree. The number of times I've read a review on a camera that was of interest to me and wondered at the scoring achieved based on some very differing features of other cameras put in as possible other choices. On that basis an overall score is not what should be looked at but whether the features a particular model has [or hasn't] is what the user is looking for and feel they need or don't need, would use or wouldn't. In the case of the 850 the 3fps would put me off for starters... 5 or 7fps is a benefit :)
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Re: Sony PMA announcements....
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2010, 04:36:26 PM »
Could they look to go to a full frame camera BUT with less mega-pixels. Then with larger receptors on the sensor this could potentially reduce the amount of noise and therefore give the camera the better noise performance at higher ISO that an A700 replacement would ideally have enabling shooting at higher speeds.  The only problem though with going FF is that you loose the magnification that you get from using lenses on the A700 as probably 90% of shots taken with the A700 are with telephoto lenses.

Now on the downside for me of this announcement there is very little chance of the A700 replacement being on sale before I go to Borneo in May :(  Do you think if I ask Mr Sony nicely he will let me take one on trial to Borneo :)
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« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2010, 05:06:56 PM »
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Maybe I'm just looking at it over a too simplified way by seeing the APS format giving a longer focal length to a 35mm "ff slr" lens ??? A 90mm FF = to 135 in APS, 100 = to 150, 200 = 300 etc. Or am I just totally misunderstanding this part of APS against FF? Is it not beneficial to have an increase in focal length without the added weight in a FF lens? A 400 is 600 on APS but 400 is 400 on FF. Is it a case that the lens length is exactly the same and therefore you get the same end size photo in APS as FF but the "focus area" is 1.5 times larger to assist the focus "point"?

Frank- the APS size cameras do NOT give you a longer length they just crop the image. I can get the same "focal" length with the A900 by simply cropping the image and due to the higher pixel count this is not a problem. The only advantage that I see with APS size cameras is the fact that they use the sweet spot of each lens. This means lenses of not the highest quality might still give you perfectly acceptable images on an APS size camera. For a ff camera the lenses really need to be outstanding i.e. corner sharpness will be very visible.

Fud- LOL! Asking Sony...well always worth a try ;) Borneo sounds great- but I would be more interested in the scuba diving part of it....so I would have to ask Sony nicely for an underwater housing ;)
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