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*Feathered Friends*
« on: June 29, 2006, 04:43:19 PM »
Dear Dynax Digital Members.

I have been given kind permission by Gaz to start a shiny new challenge. Learning lessons from previous challenges, both good and bad, this one has a few simple rules which must be adhered to.


Rule 1:

The title is Feathered Friends, which means photos of birds are allowed in any shape or form. Birds are everywhere and I’ve seen bird shots from so many people on this forum that surely everyone’s got one. If you haven’t then now is the time to try. A detailed close-up of an eagle, a distant silhouette of a nightingale, a flock of seagulls, a farmyard chicken, a beautiful parrot, a goose (Clive) or the local cheeky robin, post whatever you like, as long as it’s got feathers and a beak. They can be unfriendly too!



Rule 2:

Strictly a total of four images are allowed per member, although quality, not quantity, will win the day, so choose wisely. You may not change an image once it is entered. Please note that this is a photography forum, not a digital art forum, so blatant digital mock-ups like this: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4600265 are unwelcome. No major cutting and pasting, no silly Pshop filter effects, and no collages; unless the collage is of all four images at once. Dodging, burning, healing, sharpening, colour adjustment, cropping and all such gentle things are perfectly okay of course - use your common sense. You can also frame your photo with a border and put your name on it, that’s fine. May I suggest that you spread multiple entries roughly over weekly intervals between now and the closing date. Don't saturate the thread with all your images in one go, or you may miss out towards the end. That is a suggestion, not a rule.


Rule 3:

Photos will be judged on Image Quality, Composition and Difficulty.

The closing date for entries is around midnight on Monday 24th July.

The thread will be locked on Monday night, or thereabouts, and the judges will narrow things down to three images from separate candidates. Once that is complete a judging thread will be opened with the top three images on display. A poll will be set up and members will have their chance to vote for their favourite. The results of the poll will remain secret until voting is over to prevent bias.

The vote will run for the following week and a winner will be declared on 29th July.


Rule 4:

Please state the following from the EXIF; optional, but interesting for others.
   
Camera
Lens
Aperture
Shutter
ISO


Also any notes on how/where you were. If you don’t have a 5D or a 7D you will not be penalised for using something else.


Rule 5: Have fun and join in!


Oh, and there is a prize which I shall supply myself, so a little incentive there.

To kick off...




EXIF:

KonicaMinolta Dynax 7D
Minolta 400/4.5 AF APO
F4.5
1/250
ISO 400

A cute wader bird called a Redshank, taken in Norfolk.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2006, 04:57:50 PM by ISO3200 »
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Re: *Feathered Friends*
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2006, 05:21:15 PM »
I'm glad we can use other cameras :)



This was taken with a Minolta Dynax 5 with Ilford Black and White film using a sigma 70-300 APO lens.
Cropped and sharpened in photoshop.
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Re: *Feathered Friends*
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2006, 05:45:29 PM »
I'm glad we can use other cameras :)



This was taken with a Minolta Dynax 5 with Ilford Black and White film using a sigma 70-300 APO lens.
Cropped and sharpened in photoshop.

Constructive criticism...try to leave some feather detail for a more appealing photo.

Good luck!
« Last Edit: June 29, 2006, 06:11:04 PM by minoltaman »

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Re: *Feathered Friends*
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2006, 05:49:19 PM »
Great idea Adam!

Thought you'd never ask.

Was that FOUR images ... or four dozen? :)

Okay where to start? Geese? Gannets? Shovelers? Blue-wing teal?

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Re: *Feathered Friends*
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2006, 05:56:41 PM »
Number 1 feathered friend.
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1/4000 second ... ISO 200 ... 300 mm (100 to 300 mm APO) ... f 8
Original cropped about 50 percent and lightened--was a tad underexposed. June 17, 2006 at Cape St. Mary's Newfoundland, Canada.

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Re: *Feathered Friends*
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2006, 06:07:07 PM »
Looks like we're off to a flying start.

(groan)
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Re: *Feathered Friends*
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2006, 06:10:15 PM »
Number 1 feathered friend.
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1/4000 second ... ISO 200 ... 300 mm (100 to 300 mm APO) ... f 8
Original cropped about 50 percent and lightened--was a tad underexposed. June 17, 2006 at Cape St. Mary's Newfoundland, Canada.



I like it, Clive, but there is a ton of grain/artifacts in the non-subject areas of the photo. Any chance you can smooth that out a bit? It really distracts from the bird on 2 of 3 monitors I view on.  It must be because you are submitting a heavily cropped photo and not a full-frame because at ISO200 I would expect to see a smoother background. Good luck with your submission.

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Re: *Feathered Friends*
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2006, 06:22:15 PM »
Looks like we're off to a flying start.

(groan)

Well....I guess everything goes in that close-up thread until a couple people posted collages. Go figure...open only to some folks artistic interpretation. Even those peeps using Nikons and others posting wide-angle shots flew...Nice Minolta macro collages hit the thread and boom....closed it goes.

Anyway, back to your contest which is by far the best format to date here at this forum. I would like to make one note though. As you yourself make hit-and-run "nice pic" comments in the contest threads, certainly you will understand that  posts of constructive criticism should be 100 percent allowable as well.

The best contest thread is a submission thread only with no other comments of any kind allowed. I have found peeps trust other peoples written opinions more than ther own eyes so when a moderator or veteran forum member makes a "nice pic" hit and run comment it sometimes carries more weight with newbs and rookies than than the photo itself does.

Good luck with the contest. Hopefully you won't change the rules and make them up as you go along like they were in the other thread.

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Re: *Feathered Friends*
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2006, 06:38:14 PM »


5D
500mm/f8
1/500th
ISO 400
Handheld

Hey Iso couldn't we have waited for Clive to go on holidays so that we mortals can have a chance? His bird shot's kick arse ;)

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Re: *Feathered Friends*
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2006, 07:03:09 PM »
Clive's Original Image

Noise Reduced Version


Now this could be done much better as I only made two quick profile attempts and did not go through my profile library to match the profile perfectly.

This profile I used here gave me only a  37/100. This was literally a 20 second process to clean the noise and artifacts from the background. If your monitor is bright enough you should really see a difference in the backgrounds on this pix and if you take the time you could even do a much better job smoothing that nasty junk out. On this pic there is not a lot of feather detail anyway so it seems a smoother background via noise-reduction would be a no brainer. If NR is done carefully you will lose no real visible details and obtain that creamy smooth background that everyone so desires.

Hope that helps.

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Re: *Feathered Friends*
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2006, 07:47:15 PM »
Constructive crit is fine.

I would say, for example, that my image of the Redshank is all very cute and very sharp, but the bird is doing nothing out of the ordinary. So maybe...

Image Quality 8

Composition 8

Difficulty 6

Whereas Clive's Gannet image has suffered from heavy cropping, but is much more difficult to get right.

Image Quality 6

Composition 8

Difficulty 8


And Ali's Seagull; again difficult, exposure controlled, but with a slightly distracting backdrop.

And Gaz's Owl is easier, but no doubt the larger version looks real nice anyway, even on film!

That's not final, that's just half made-up an examples of how I'll be looking at them. I may ask the 3 winners to submit a larger Jpeg file for a final scrutiny.

I will be a professional about this.

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« Last Edit: June 29, 2006, 07:48:57 PM by ISO3200 »
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Re: *Feathered Friends*
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2006, 08:04:00 PM »
Good stuff, ISO.

Ok, looks good and I assume you are adding artistic impression/merit into the comp & difficulty categories? I would also think there would be a serious markdown for posting crops as they are much less viable for reasonable print sizes....

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Re: *Feathered Friends*
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2006, 08:23:10 PM »
Indeed. Composition covers artistic impression/merit to me. That's just a rough idea anyway. I've got a month to figure out the details. I know a good picture when I see one.

To me, crops come under image quality. Fact is, the more you crop, the less detailed the image becomes. A crop to change picture shape is a different affair. I often make square photos, closer to 2000X2000, and am always losing some of a photo's length so it will fit inside a photo frame!

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Re: *Feathered Friends*
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2006, 09:00:17 PM »
Hi ISO3200

Any clue as to the Prize ?? 100 F2 Maybe ?????   lol !!
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2006, 03:40:26 AM »

No longer imported to the US these birds are very rare around here. While they stand only a few inches tall these little guys will challenge any and all comers, bird, animal, or human. Generally not known as talkers these fellas are know to be some of the goofiest birds on the planet.

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ISO: 100
Aperture: f3.5
Shutter Speed 1/180