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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2008, 10:41:24 PM »
O.K im with you on that only sony and minolta flashes fit on the camera but i thought this fits to the cheap flash and is triggered by my sony flash no?

So what slave cell do i need?
Which lead to the slave cell?
Do the leads go to the slave cell and then to the cheap flash
Or from the slave to the master flash?
Sorry for being a real numpty and a pain.

OK, so if you want to use slave cells on the A300 (different to the A700!), you need:

1x FS-1100 to fit on top of the camera - to convert to standard ISO flash hotshoe.
1x Cheap flash for attaching on top of the FS-1100
1x Optical trigger like your warehouseexpress item (connection will be through the 'hotshoe', rather than a seperate pc sync cord)
1x Main Flash that attaches on top of the 'Optical Trigger'.

An alternative is:

1x FS-1100 to fit on top of the camera.
1x Pair of 'Radio Triggers' (i.e. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wireless-Flash-Trigger-V2s-for-Canon-580EX-II-420EX_W0QQitemZ170278538543QQihZ007QQcategoryZ64354QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262)
1x Main Flash that attaches on top of the 'Radio Trigger Reciever'


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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2008, 10:41:38 PM »
Now i am getting confused.

I will have a sony 36 flash which i can use on or off the camera without buying extras.

If i want more flashes as in what steff has done in the pics can i not buy an optical slave cell with a standard hot shoe fitting which fits another cheap flash and have my sony flash trigger the optical slave cells on any other flashes i might have.

(I only think this as it states on my link that the slave cell can be mounted on a tripod)

Really sorry this must be annoying for you all now.
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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2008, 10:44:12 PM »
Now i am getting confused.

I will have a sony 36 flash which i can use on or off the camera without buying extras.

If i want more flashes as in what steff has done in the pics can i not buy an optical slave cell with a standard hot shoe fitting which fits another cheap flash and have my sony flash trigger the optical slave cells on any other flashes i might have.

(I only think this as it states on my link that the slave cell can be mounted on a tripod)

Really sorry this must be annoying for you all now.

NP.  I don't think Stef knows that the A200/A300/A350 doesn't have a 'manual flash' setting.  Her statement is true for the Minolta 7D, Sony A100, Sony A700 & Sony A900 since these cameras do have a 'manual flash' setting.

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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2008, 10:44:56 PM »
Sorry you posted while i was replying and i missed the bit about the preflash ttl and ADI so i now realise i cant trigger optical slaves with my sony flash.
Thank you.
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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2008, 10:47:24 PM »
Sorry you posted while i was replying and i missed the bit about the preflash ttl and ADI so i now realise i cant trigger optical slaves with my sony flash.
Thank you.

NP.  I came across this when trying to help someone else with a similar query!  I told them they needed to set the flash to manual, and they told me that there was no 'manual' setting!
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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2008, 12:03:08 AM »
Hi..

One thing to point out (which I don't think was picked up on the first time around) is there is no manual flash option on the A200/A300/A350 (unlike the A100/A700/A900)

You this is usually found on the A700 at:

Menu Button ->  Camera 1 -> Flash Control

See page 88 :  in the A300 manual:
http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/3287969151.pdf

What this means is that the built-in flash will always do "Preflash" (either ADI or TTL) so can't be used for triggering slaves.

If you want to use optical slaves, you need an FS-1100 (e.g. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4-pin-Hot-Shoe-Adapter-for-Sony-A700-A350-as-FS-1100_W0QQitemZ350125727515QQihZ022QQcategoryZ64354QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262) or equiv and a cheap flash for triggering.

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Sorry you posted while i was replying and i missed the bit about the preflash ttl and ADI so i now realise i cant trigger optical slaves with my sony flash.
Thank you.

NP.  I came across this when trying to help someone else with a similar query!  I told them they needed to set the flash to manual, and they told me that there was no 'manual' setting!

No no no- you CAN.
I had also stated- read the second paragraph:
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Sony A700 used with on-board flash to trigger an expensive Metz 45 CL3 flash and an extremely cheap Centon F.G.3.0.D flash (somewhere around $10). In the menu of the A700 I set the flash to manual. Regarding Springtide's comment: If you set it to pre-flash ttl you can trigger the Metz flash but not the cheaper Centon. In other words if you have no manual setting in the A300 or 350 there are still a lot of flashes out there that you can trigger with pre-flash ttl!

You might need to go to the shop and give it a try. The Metz does work with pre-flash but not the Centon.

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O.K im with you on that only sony and minolta flashes fit on the camera but i thought this fits to the cheap flash and is triggered by my sony flash no?

No you can use any flash as long as you use the right adapter for the flash and as long as the voltage is not too high:
See my very first statement for the adapter needed.

Numpty look at my image. Once you buy the slave cell with your flash ask straight away for the little cable that connects  the flash with the cell. When you trigger these cheap flashes with your on-camera flash than you will NOT have a cable connecting your camera with the flashes.

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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2008, 10:19:38 AM »

Arh, I see what you are saying now Stef..

So the Metz 45 CL3 will work with Pre-flash TTL? [Is this flash a Sony/Minolta specific?  Or is this a generic model?]

I have seen on some of the more expensive strobes, that they have an option for ignoring Pre-flash and firing with the main flash (flash delay, with a slightly slower sync speed than is usually possible), but haven't seen this on the slave triggers for hotshoe flash (would be very useful - for mixing Sony wireless and other hotshoe flashes)
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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2008, 04:14:07 PM »
Don't usually reply to my own posts, but look what I found today...

Hot Shoe Slave Flash Trigger for Sony / Konica Minolta flash
http://cgi.ebay.com/Hot-Shoe-Slave-Flash-Trigger-for-Sony-56AM-42AM-36AM_W0QQitemZ190266556966QQihZ009QQcategoryZ64354QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262

I haven't seen one of those before :)
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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2008, 09:12:15 PM »
Springtide,

a) Metz flashes are outstanding flashes and are generic- in other words they have nothing to do with Minolta or Sony
b) be very careful with this flash mount. I am not sure whether it is meant to basically mount a Sony flash onto another camera or whether it just means you can mount it onto a Sony camera put the Sony flash on top of it and send the signal. BUT keep in mind you don't need that! It still means that you need to buy the little slave cells and the little cables to attach to your non-Sony flashes. To trigger those flashes as said :set the camera to pre-flash ttl and try to trigger them.
If you have a non-Sony flash why don't you just try the suggested settings from above and play around until it works? If there is a problem just let me know! Keep in mind there are three things you should play with: setting the camera to manual exposure control or it might work in aperture; setting in the camera menu the flash to either manual or pre-flash ttl and playing around with the settings on your particular flash. There is usually a combination of these settings that make it work. As said wireless AND slave cells seem to not work but I will give this one another try.

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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2008, 10:41:00 PM »

Hi Stef,

Thanks for the reply.

The slave cell I posted looks like it allows a Sony flash to be mounted on top of it (with the ISO hotshoe or screw mount below)

I was thinking that I usually have one flash 'in sight', but it's the occasion where I would like to trigger a flash that is out of sight.  (i.e.  in the car shot, having a flash some distance away with a gel pointing up to give a nice backdrop.)

I can connect my Cactus to the camera PC sync socket (to fire the remote flash 'radio' wirelessly), but use manual flash on the camera to fire my second local flash via the slave trigger when set to manual flash (thanks for that!)

I was thinking what I was trying to do before when I made that incorrect statement about Pre-Flash, and it was trying to use the Sony/Minolta 'wireless function' as well as Strobes triggered via internal slave triggers.

Sorry back to my original thought... 
I was thinking about getting a second FS-1200 and a second Cactus trigger, but the prices of FS-1200 seem to be rising (and going for very silly money!) and it did seem cheaper (and easier longer term) - just to sell one of my 56's for a few triggers and a Nikon/Canon/Metz/anything-powerful-with-a-ISO-hotshoe..... so I'd have one flash to use in full ADI/Pre-TTL mode and the two flashes to use tirelessly in full manual mode when I want to be more creative.

I am a bit of a techno head, so although frustrated with the Sony/Minolta flash system - I do like the challenge of trying to find the right bits to get a workable and flexable system.

Anyway, thanks for the info.  BTW, are those Metz 'Hammerheads' easy to mount on a tripod with an umbrella?
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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2008, 12:50:04 AM »
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Anyway, thanks for the info.  BTW, are those Metz 'Hammerheads' easy to mount on a tripod with an umbrella?

Yes extremly easy. I do this all the time. I repeat myself: get yourself some slave cells and try out how far they reach. ALSO: the cable that connects these slave cells to the flash can be longer than the ones shown in the picture. So you could hide the flash in the car and the slave cell on the outside of the car. Just a thought.
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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2008, 03:35:08 PM »
Hello Stef

if i put on a700 a HVL-F58 and off camera wireless HVL-F56 - HVL-F36 will they fire also , or only with the pop up flash is possible?

I dint mean radio control just wireless.
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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2008, 08:59:47 PM »
As far as I can tell from the F58 manual and from my testing: if you use the F58 ON camera you can only control the following two flashes: antoher F58 flash and/or the HVL-F42AM.
You can control though the 58 with your built-in flash including using ratio.
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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2008, 03:45:26 PM »
Hello Stef on page 59 if you go to the logging radio:DSLR-A700-off-camera flash hvlf58/42-->controller hvlf58 Note*4

Note*4 says on 6th paragraph: "When using hvlf56am/36am as off camera flash select this mode.When you change the controller,set [C03] in the custom setting (page 74)"

Page 74 says {CTRL2] mode:[CTRL]. Does it mean that it can work like i metion before  or is a printing mistake? The reason that i ask you, is that you are the only one i know that have the A700+58am and other flashes. I don't have this flash so i can not make this test.

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Re: More annoying flash questions
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2008, 07:26:00 PM »
Received my "36" today very happy with it just 1 question ADI and TTL what is the difference and which should i use for what situations?
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