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« on: December 06, 2005, 04:18:35 PM »
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Anyone else have problems using a 2500D flash on their 7D??

Purchased 7D in August..taken 9,600 images since. GREAT camera. Great images. I am a happy guy.

However, it came with a 2500D flash and I've not used the flash much. It did not seem to be working properly (erratic) so my dealer gave me a new one a few weeks back. Seemed okay at first, but again, I only used it once or twice.

Yesterday, I got it out and took a lot of pictures to test it. It simply does not work properly. With exactly the same setup and settings, the images are overexposed and underexposed..all over the map. (If they were all one way or the other, I could take corrective action ... but the exposures are all over the place.) Batteries are fresh. I am NOT using D lenses, but the flash should still work with Maxxum lenses. Had flash set on TTL and camera is defaulted to pre-TTL. I've tried all combinations (even without D lenses) including ADI settings. Nothing works including the recommended settings.

I am taking it back to my dealer and going to ask for a discount on a 3600HS(D) or a 5600HS(D). (KM pulled out of Canad so getting service is going to be tricky. My dealer is real good tho.)

Anyone else have these problems?

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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2005, 02:38:29 AM »
Clive, I have the 5600HS(D) and have had no problems using it with my 7D. However I have read many reports, exactly like yours, with the 7D and the three Minolta flashes, 5600, 3600 and 2500. It appears that the 7D is not calibrated correctly and usually has to be returned, with the flash, to KM, who will fix it for free. Why you would need to send the flash also is not clear.
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2005, 02:53:47 AM »
AScot,

Thanks. I have written to Zoomtron and KM international. Shall see. I do not want to return the camera for (what??) three or four weeks though! Ho boy. I'd die.... (If they'd guarantee turnaround in say 8 days...maybe...)

I am taking pix at a wedding anniv in 2 weeks. The lady wants pix of every guest and the couple as they come in. IN THEORY we will organize it so the couple and the guests will stand in one spot--we have to be careful with backgrounds anyway. In which case, I can use my powerful 5200i. It fires in manual only, but with two quick test shots and I'll have it perfect. It will be 1/60 at f5.6 or f8 and then I can adjust the power level if need be. Obviously this is not good for fast changing situations and distances. For the casual shots I can use the on board flash.

Funny .. took pix a a social function last month and flash images generally were good...

I'd like the 5600 but right now I've spent too much $$ in the past while PLUS the old desktop needs replacing and we are going on a volunteer trip to Mexico in January. Heck .. I'll have to go back to work at this rate! :)

Thanks again. They will contact me soon.

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2005, 05:50:07 AM »
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 I do not want to return the camera for (what??) three or four weeks though! Ho boy. I'd die....  


*laughter*

My 3600 flash works fine. My 7D has been good and faithful. It;s fun using 1/4000 shutter speeds!

I think the 7D (though still amazing) is a somewhat glitchy camera. It's like KM hadn't quite perfected it's innards but were rushed into releasing it and only cleaned up their act come the 5D (which is also amazing)

In saying that Nikon has had trouble with the D70 locking up and the batteries exploding. So far, it seems, this hasn't affected me either!
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2005, 06:10:38 AM »
ISO3200...

You ever sleep? :)

Thanks for the insight. Based on AScot and your take it is some sort of chip gremlin. Shall see what the KM agent in the frozen North tells me and take it from there.

"Exploding batteries" conjures up all sorts of evil thoughts  :twisted:  ...

 
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2005, 07:27:48 AM »
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ISO3200... You ever sleep? :)

 


No, like digital slrs and good mp3 players everywhere, I run off li-ion batteries. Nor do I eat. I just might explode inexplicably, is all.

Actually I'm on 'night work'. I work much better at night. Got lots of work done, in-between emails and forum posts and sorting out ebay. So, while you sleep, Clive, I sleep too, just during our daylight hours. I haven't seen the sun for 3 days. Then again, that happens a lot in England. That's why we have christmas lights up.


Nuclear batteries are the next logical step.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2005, 05:24:42 PM »
The official and ENTIRE response from KM Int'l ....

Answer is : In Canada call Zoomtron at 514.333.0004

Will do later today ...
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2005, 09:39:35 PM »
Clive, where is Zoomtron? Montreal? or Toronto? Either way for you it's a bit of a hassle, to say the least.

If it's in Toronto, I could drive up there and deliver my camera in person, if I had to. I would feel safer doing that. I don't trust courier services. DHL is a nightmare, FedEx and UPS are much better, but still a problem at times. Canada post can be very unreliable at Christmas!
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2005, 10:01:09 PM »
I just got off the phone with "Meo" at Zoomtron at 514.333.0004 in PQ. I have to ship it to the ON service center, but we both agreed doing so two weeks before Christmas would not be too 'mart. :)

I will call Meo again in the New Year--possibly February now--as I am leaving for Mexico on Jan 28--and he will give me the new address for Zoomtron in the GTA as they are moving the service center early in 2006.

I will pass this along to the camera manager at London Drugs (my dealer) and I am guessing they will cover the shipping. I don't mind doing this BUT I will need some assurance of a fast turnaround before it leaves my hand. When KM Canada still existed (poof   :shock: ) I ordered the 7D on Monday and it arrived at the dealer--remembering we are in a smaller center, 3 hours from the Calgary airport--the next morning! So now..if we can get one or two day courier and two days on site..I bet it is a 6 minute job--I'd be happy. However, if it goes to ON and is placed in a  "holding pattern" on some techy's work bench for Lord knows how long....well, I'd be unimpressed.

If they gave me a guarantee it would turnaround in a few days, I'd ship it Jan 4 or so.

Or maybe I will crank up the ISO to 3200 and never use a flash again. :) Kidding.

I did some test shots with the 5200i in low-ish light conditions last night and after getting the manual settings adjusted (takes 30 seconds) it works spot on. (Such a good old flash--wonderful on the Maxxum 7!) I can also use the pop-up flash for close shots and it exposes accurately.

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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2005, 10:08:54 PM »
ISO3200

"That's why we have christmas lights up. "

So YOU are the main source of Global Warming then!!  8)
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2005, 10:54:17 PM »
No, that'd be the USA, with millions of mum's picking up their kids in armoured personel vehicles that average one mile to the gallon, spreading the word that global warming is a lie, that Darwinian evolution is wrong and that dinosaurs shook the hand of Adam and Eve. :roll:

In many respects America is so positive and forward, but in so many others it is laughably backward. What's Canada like in that regard? We don't hear much about it's values across the 'pond'. Seems a quiet place.

I have American relatives, by the way, and used to live there. So I'm really not a prejudiced pig, if anything I'm informed.
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2005, 11:20:08 PM »
We are a pretty quiet lot and internationally overshadowed by our southern neighbor. We are larger in area than the USA, yet there are a mere 30M of us. We basically stay quiet and TRY to mind our business while trying to stay warm with fossil fuels. :)

If anyone pushed us around we'd send over the navy--both boats--but one is usually in dry dock.  

Overall we are a left-of-centre society that runs around saying, "Eh?" and worshiping eco-cultists who try to blame every single ailment of mankind on "those muck-raking industrialists and oil and gas $%^&£*@s" who clearly are responsible for pretty much anything bad--real or imagined.

Although I am a left-wing environmental type, I do not believe there is any good in trying to stop natural climate change and believe that the sun and oceans dictate millennial shifts in climate. There is more CO2 transferred between oceans and air than we could ever emit--the transfer rates a function of water temps which are driven by the sun. As much as we all don't like "Dubya,"  (and I, for one, think reducing carbon will do nothing), at least the USA increased carbon emissions less than Canada (a Kyoto signatory) ... Most Kyoto signatories have increased emissions.  

We need to conserve fossil fuels because they are finite. There are much larger environmental issues than carbon emissions and we run the risk of failing to address real environmental issues (like clean air and water) because we are addressing an expensive issue and we simply won't change one thing.

Sorry .. what was the question? :)

My wife says I talk way too much ...

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From yesterday's Telegraph...London..Dec 6/05

But the point is, as Steven Guilbeault of Greenpeace puts it: "Global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter, that's what we're dealing with." Got that? If it's hot, that's a sign of global warming, and, if it's cold, that's a sign of global warming.

And if it's just kind of average - say, 48F and partially cloudy, as it will be in Llandudno today - that's a sign that global warming is accelerating out of control and you need to flee immediately because time is running out ! "Time is running out to deal with climate change," says Mr Guilbeault. "Ten years ago, we thought we had a lot of time, five years ago we thought we had a lot of time, but now science is telling us that we don't have a lot of time."

Really? Ten years ago, we had a lot of time? That's not the way I recall it: "Time is running out for the climate" - Chris Rose of Greenpeace, 1997; "Time running out for action on global warming Greenpeace claims" - Irish Times, 1994; "Time is running out" - scientist Henry Kendall, speaking on behalf of Greenpeace, 1992. Admirably, Mr Guilbeault's commitment to the environment extends to recycling last decade's scare-mongering press releases.
 
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2005, 01:12:48 AM »
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Although I am a left-wing environmental type, I do not believe there is any good in trying to stop natural climate change and believe that the sun and oceans dictate millennial shifts in climate.  


Clive... Clive... Clive... I am so surprised!

I know there's lots of different world opinions on climate change, but in Europe we now take it as FACT that global warming is happening, that CO2 has increased, and that we are each to blame. I also think this is the right view, judging by the mounting evidence, though it doesn't mean we can now magically fix things either. I'm quite a realisitic person, and also a very-well educated person, even if I say so myself, and can look at things objectively and with piles of scientific and geographic knowledge, just as you can. There's a lot left for humans to discover about the world and how we might affect it, but it's all very easy to write off global warming as 'natural' and say we can't curb it someday.

It's not as if organisms can't affect the environment, in fact organisms make the environment; life is responisble for oxygen even existing on earth, it exists nowhere else in the solar system in any quantity. Humans, in fact, are adept at changing the environment, usually ruining it, and have already induced the fastest extinction rate seen on earth. That's a fact geologist lecturers love to tell you.

We were perfectly capable of pumping out so many CFC's as to damage the ozone layer, and we are equally capable of doing a very different damage to the atmosphere with CO2 emissions, i.e so as to cause climate change. It's on graphs everywhere, each one drawn up by great scientists, not greenpeace potheads. We already have changed the atmosphere. It cannot be 'coincidence' that CO2 started going up as soon as the industrial revolution occured and so continued until the present day. I'm also perfectly aware of things like the carbon-cycle and the waxing and waning of CO2 in the atmosphere due to leafless winters, summers and ocean rocks locking CO2 away. Even with those factored into the graphs, CO2 is going up and up and up in a tight zig-zag line. Carl Sagan and co. spelt all that out ten years ago. He'd be ashamed of the USA today.

If CO2 goes up, so will global temperature, which in turn means more water vapour, which then raises global temperature more; Venus-style, though that's very extreme.

And we're not talking milleniums here, or even lifetimes. The UK used to be cold when october came, but now it hasn't had a bad winter in 15-20 years; there's green leaves on the trees in my garden and it is December - that never ever used to happen, never. Ecologists all over the UK have recorded changes in weather and species not seen since records began. Which might not be long on a geological scale, but I'm still worried.

Scientists recently, and to their surprise, found that the Gulf Stream has slowed by 20% which is a sure sign that fresh water from glaciers is 'polluting' the salty sea around the UK and preventing sinkage of water. So, then we limeys would be in for a cold snap alright!

I could go on, but I know I won't change your opinion.

I don't have time for the argument of global warming being a myth, or not our fault. It's as much our fault as deforestation and pollution. I do not know the answer either, but deforestation is easy to stop compared to global warming and if we can't even stop the former we'll not stop the latter either anytime soon. I agree with you there, at least.
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2005, 01:17:49 AM »
Of course, no hard feelings - this is what debate is meant to be!

This is also a definate post-hijacking. I'm turning into you! :shock:
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2005, 03:46:51 AM »
ISO3200 .. "no hard feelings - this is what debate is meant to be!"

Oh heavens, no. I love to debate about technical stuff. Now ... as for taking over my role as The Primo Hijacker , well ... :)

I can't post a specific reply to your comments at this moment, but will try to do so tomorrow. However, I posted on a similar thread recently so copy and pasted most of it below....some of it may not be germane.

BTW .. where I live three of the the past four years have been colder than average, but the patterns vary--we tend to have slightly warmer winters but have abysmal summers.

Climate is changing and if it wasn't then I'd be worried. The earth is always tending to cool or tending to warm.  

Hopefully more tomorrow...

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. . .  BTW… the 0.6C°warming of the past century is about what we'd expect from natural trends. And remember further that we are still emerging from the last mini ice age that ended just 200 years ago. The world was in quite a cold spell for a few hundred years around 1400 to 1800 or so. It's a damn good thing it IS getting warmer.

Here's the deal--the correct version of GW according to real climatologists. The driver of climate is the sun and its output varies greatly over time. The effects of this are not on earth directly but in the oceans and over decades and centuries the oceans change and the effects of currents and released energy stored are felt. Now here is the real kicker. The oceans store unimaginable amounts of carbon dioxide. The exchange of CO2 between the oceans and atmosphere vary more than the paltry amount released by man.

Poor Q image ... suns output and temps....


Read the last article here from GeoScience Canada:
http://www.esd.mun.ca/~gac/JOURNALS/TOC/GACgcV32No1Web.pdf
Or from Harvard …
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1997/1...teningSuni.html


CO2 may be high now but PRAY TELL why has it gone up and down like this for the past millions of years because it sure as heck was not man. The eco crowd will tell you everything that happened before the past 200 years was a) different or B) natural or c) both. But they will never allow that natural forces are still at play with long term climate. That is simply nonsense, i.e. to deny the existance of natural forces today.

Here’s how carbon dioxide has varied over a LONG time …

Quotes with this chart…
There has historically been much more CO2 in our atmosphere than exists today. For example, during the Jurassic Period (200 mya), average CO2 concentrations were about 1800 ppm or about 4.8 times higher than today. The highest concentrations of CO2 during all of the Paleozoic Era occurred during the Cambrian Period, nearly 7000 ppm -- about 19 times higher than today.
The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today-- 4400 ppm. According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming
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So do carbon dioxide and temperatures vary together? Well sort of. As temperatures rise (ever so slightly as we are now seeing) more CO2 is released from the oceans. The proof is that CO2 lags behind temperatures and long-term studies show that temperature rise first and carbon dioxide follows.

Just 1,000 years ago the Vikings farmed in Greenland--now covered with ice. 400 and 500 years ago the rivers in western Europe were often frozen over--it's a damn good thing it has warmed. A short 18,000 years ago Canada (all of it) was covered by the Laurentide and Cordilleran Ice Sheets. These essentially melted in just 90 centuries--between 18K and 9K ybp. The MASSIVE outflows of water created the prairie valleys in Southern Alberta. The melt rates were unimaginably greater that from the current glaciers. What caused those huge melts? It was not man.

The UN's IPCC got everyone hyped up a few years ago with the fallacious "hockey stick" chart that proved that 1998 was the warmest year in 100 year. That chart has been totally debunked yet is the very reason for Kyoto. We are spending billions upon billions on junk science while real climatologists go ignored. Even nay sayers on the IPCC committees are ignored so that the bloody shameful nonsense can continue.

You will find some interesting reading here…
http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=4

Cheers!

Clive
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