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Re: which filter
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2010, 06:44:05 PM »
Stef.: "I think justification is important to some extent."  I do too, but in this case I was simply thinking in terms of something along the lines of a poll, just out of curiosity.

LyleG: "Then why buy an expensive lens in the first place if IQ is not important?"  I didn't say it was unimportant, just less important, to me.  Furthermore, how do you define expensive?  Anything over say $150US is expensive to me. 

I only ever bought one pricey lens, and that was a Minolta AF 100mm f2, new when they were still making them.  I paid (I think) $550 for it.  (It is nice to know that chewed up versions are selling for about $700-$900 now.  My mint version should be worth even more, if I had a need to sell it.)  The reason I bought it was speed: f2, length: 100mm (very traditional for portrait work), then image quality last because I figured all Minolta lenses were good.  It was the fastest 100mm lens Minolta had at the time.  If I had known then what I know now about being able to use old MF M42 or Minolta MC/MD lenses on a Maxxum body, I never would have bought it.

"The attributes you are after are more body attributes than lens attributes."  Yes, I imagine so upon reflection.  That only makes sense, considering I purposely chose to buy a used Maxxum 7D instead of a new(er) Sony Alpha body just because of its ergonomics and controls layout.
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Re: which filter
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2010, 07:45:26 PM »
Quote from: rogprov
it's a relatively modern phenomenon

Quote from: Theresa
I've used a filter as a "lens cap" since the seventies...  So I guess I was just a pioneer.

I'm with Theresa - my old dad gave me my first camera (a Halina, I think - it's still around) in the early seventies, and it had (still has!) a skylight filter over the lens.

Good thread, this. For the record, I use uv filters on my lenses, but do tend to leave polarising filters on my walkabout lenses more often than not.

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Re: which filter
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2010, 08:22:07 PM »
Quote from: rogprov
it's a relatively modern phenomenon

Quote from: Theresa
I've used a filter as a "lens cap" since the seventies...  So I guess I was just a pioneer.

I'm with Theresa - my old dad gave me my first camera (a Halina, I think - it's still around) in the early seventies, and it had (still has!) a skylight filter over the lens.

Good thread, this. For the record, I use uv filters on my lenses, but do tend to leave polarising filters on my walkabout lenses more often than not.

I've used filters since the 60's ... but they were for effect yellow, orange, green and haze  etc. to modify the results on B/W film - mainly to separate the tones of blue sky and clouds and to lighten foliage  as I remember.
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Re: which filter
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2010, 09:22:13 PM »
Rogprov: "...for effect yellow, orange, green and haze  etc. to modify the results on B/W film - mainly to separate the tones of blue sky and clouds and to lighten foliage..."  I have been thinking lately that the application of those filters for b&w film should theoretically still provide the same advantage for digital photography but only in color.  I'm half tempted to go and buy some old filters like the aforementioned ones and try them out on a DSLR just for the heck of it and to see what the results are. 
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Re: which filter
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2010, 09:56:55 PM »
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These sort of threads always lead to interesting commentary.  That's because everybody's priorities are different.  I always thought it would be interesting to see what folks value in their photography WITHOUT giving elaboration or justification. 

I think justification is important to some extent. There are newcomers to this forum who really go by what members say when deciding on buying new equipment. Therefore IMHO to discuss the advantages and disadvantages in a polite way can only be of advantage. It doesn't mean the one or other way is absolutely correct. You never said that you have your polarising filter on all the time but you did say you leave it on your lens all the time when outside. This is certainly a valid way of using filters albeit not a very common one. Most people at least the ones I know do use polarising filters for very specific reasons. I have to say though that I personally will follow your advice at least for a day and give it a try. You might be absolutely correct and the polarising filyer has more uses than I thought off in the past.
So thanks for pointing this out!
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I'll admit I haven't read the thread from the start, and on fear of deviating too far from the topic, I'll plough on, anyway. I feel justification is important, for many reasons including saving money and avoiding being stuck with another piece of unwanted junk being a priorities for me. It also makes sense to research your next purchase properly. Dyxum forum has a lens database full of ratings, but these are very subjective, and the ratings are perhaps influenced by how new the lens is, and how proud the owner is with his or her shiny new lens, nothing to do with image quality. We've had some very polite and informed discussions here, leading me to feel comfortable in getting the A200, 50mm 1.4, 70-300mm G, and 100mm macro. The informed decisions I made in getting these has lead to the second priority that I have, having no regrets.

As for filters, and informed decisions, I don't know if anyone else has recommended this thread, but do take a look anyway if you haven't already: http://www.dynaxdigital.com/other-photography-equipment/test-of-20-uv-filters/
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Re: which filter
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2010, 04:02:17 PM »
If only I had read the 20 best UV filter test before I bought the tiffen one, I can concur with the test that the tiffen UV is bad.  It really does affect IQ.

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Re: which filter
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2010, 11:50:19 PM »
I put a protective filter in front of every lens mainly to avoid having to clean finger smugges on the lens element. Dust can be easily blown off but putting on/off the lens caps etc. will leave finger prints on the front and I rather that be a piece of easily replaceable glass so I can clean it without the worry of scratching it. The sacrifice of ~0.1% light transmission certainly is worth it to me. I do agree you have to go for top quality filters like Hoya Pro 1.

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Re: which filter
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2010, 11:55:23 AM »
During my old 35mm days I only used filters for B+W work however the new digital world has made me super sensitive to dust etc. I also have some (for me) expensive glass so I want to look after it, and I can always remove the filter if I want the very best from the lens. Following a quetion on this forum I bought Hoya Pro1 digitals.
Having read this article however I'm not sure the effort is worth it.........

http://kurtmunger.com/dirty_lens_articleid35.html

Only those with a strong disposition should view the link. You have been warned!!
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Re: which filter
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2010, 04:46:22 PM »
Fun stuff. Agreed. A few smudges don't affect images much. I still will use filters on most lenses tho. ;)

Three comments:

1) I have a Leica 35-mm rangfinder with the front elements separated following a drop on the marble floor of the Portland airport circa 1969. It still took half decent pictures. Can take a shot of the lens if you wish.
2) Consider that a mirror lens has a large disc inside, and although it can create donuts under certain conditions, it still takes great pictures.
3) Having said that, a drop of water on my Pentax Optio waterproof camera will cause blurring..that might be because of its "lens effect"

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Re: which filter
« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2010, 05:55:01 PM »
Please excuse my naiveté - but when it comes to filter's I really don't know what's good and what's not, so when I saw this thread I decided to jump onto it.

I am currently looking at getting a circular polarizing filter, and don't know which will be appropriate. Most of my photography revolves around the kids and our walks that we take - but I've noticed that sometimes (and I know it's with the operator not the equipment) in bright light my colours get washed out and I hope to bright the vibrancy back with the filter.

I'm really not too worried about the cost - it's an investment in my memories - but I'm not sure what's good and whats not. Sure I can go and ask for the most expensive - but where's the fun in that :).

The kit is pretty standard  - A900 CZ24-70 CZ16-35 SAL70-400 - with the 24-70 the goto lens.

I see the CZ filter with their T* coating – and I don’t know if it would be more appropriate than other filters hoping that it would mesh well with the CZ lens it would be often attached too.  It’s pricing is about the same as the top filters from B+W, Hoya, etc. – actually probably a few dollars cheaper.

The same would go for the UV filter’s. I currently have Sigma 77mm UV filters on the lenses – I haven’t tried anything else – so I don’t really know if it would be better – so any opinions on this as well would be good. I’ve read the thread – so I see the lens protection filter vs not debate – for me they are extremely important since my 2.5 year old tends to walk up and put his fingers on the lenses

Thanks for any opinions!

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Re: which filter
« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2010, 07:11:01 PM »
Don't know if the Sony Zeiss polarizing filters are better than others but they are what I use. I'm very happy with them. They are one of the thinnest polarizing filter I have seen.

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Re: which filter
« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2010, 08:21:16 PM »
As long as its one of the known make's that you mention above, i dont think there will be much difference in quality


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Re: which filter
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2010, 02:47:55 AM »
Welcome to the forum ahg.
With the CZ 16-35 in your kit you probably want to make sure the filter is slim design (which the Sony is). Keeping the T* coating all the way from the Zeiss lens to filter make sense to me.

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Re: which filter
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2010, 05:56:09 PM »
Thanks for input ... I think I'll go get that Sony filter and have done with. It'll be nice to have for our disney vacation in a few weeks as well.