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Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« on: May 28, 2011, 10:31:40 PM »
I'm thinking to upgrade my Sigma 17-70 soon.  I have considered the Sony 16-80 and 16-105 but I would like to go full frame in the future.  So I am wondering about the 24-70's.  I think maybe the Zeiss will cost too much and I will end up going with the Sigma.  In the future, I will aim to get a second hand A900 and sell my A700.  I read Sony have stopped making the A850 and plan to reduce the price of the A900.  This will maybe reduce the secondhand prices but maybe the new A77 will upset things.  If some people don't like the evf, etc the demand on A900's will be high, keeping prices up or if they do like the A77, maybe prices will fall.  But if I like the A77 and I somehow manage to afford the Zeiss 24-70, then I will be sort of 'stuck' with a full frame range lens (only starting at 24mm).  I like my A700, I don't miss having live view or video and I mostly shoot portraits of my family.

So I'm just wondering what any of you guys think.  I know there is no right or wrong answer, but I am interested in you opinions and reasons why.

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« Last Edit: May 29, 2011, 12:11:18 AM by Collwyn »
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Re: Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2011, 11:16:53 PM »

I don't understand 'stuck with full frame lens' - full frame lenses are perfectly good on APS bodies. APS lenses on full frame less so.

I use a Zeiss 24-70, it's my most used lens. On the a700 it's fantastic, as o the a900.

Personally I'd save long and hard for the Zeiss rather than get the sigma, but everyone's circumstances are different. :)

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Re: Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2011, 11:21:27 PM »
Thanks for that.  I don't mean 'stuck' in a bad way - it is just maybe it I ended up with an A77 then I might prefer the Zeiss 17-50 2.8 (I think) they are talking about.

Yes you are probably right in that if I buy the Sigma I will still always want the Zeiss.

Thanks again.
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Re: Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2011, 05:36:40 AM »
I have yet to have a good experience with a Sigma. I've heard a few good things about the "Bigma", but it seems that people simply have problems with Sigma in general. So much so that LensRentals.com stopped buying them for a while and actually released a scathing review of both their lenses and their customer service. I have the Zeiss 24-70, and I LOVE it. I do have to admit, though, that on my a700 it seems my Zeiss 16-80 is sharper. That bokeh on the 24-70, though, is simply phenomenal, and it's faster lens than the 16-80. If you are even considering the Zeiss 24-70, consider no more. Save for it and be happy. But that's just my opinion... :D
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Re: Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2011, 05:41:28 AM »
So much so that LensRentals.com stopped buying them for a while and actually released a scathing review of both their lenses and their customer service.
Just FYI, LensRentals took their review of Sigma off of their web page, but not before this blogger saved it for posterity. http://www.sandiegodslr.com/?q=node/578

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Re: Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2011, 01:19:14 PM »
I currenly own 3 Sigma lenses as you can see.  I have read a lot of people thinking the same as you about Sigma, but I've been happy with them and would buy another.

But I have no experience with the more expensive Sony or Zeiss lenses.  I have only had one Sony lens - the 18-70 kit lens and there was no comparision with it against the Sigma 17-70.

When I bought my Sigma 17-70, I was going to buy the cz 16-80, but I couldn't find a good review of it, so I went for the Sigma.

It is interesting what you say about the sharpness of the 24-70 v 16-80.

In that case to upgrade now, should I go for:

    1 - Sony 16-105 £490.00
    2 - Zeiss 16-80 £520.00
    3 - Sigma 24-70 f2.8 EX DG HSM £640.00
    4 - Zeiss 24-70 £1,250.00

How would the 16-80 & 16-105 compare to my Sigma?  And how would it compare to the 24-70 Sigma considering the prices are fairly close?

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Re: Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2011, 03:27:43 PM »
I don't have any first hand experience with the Sigma 17-70 or the Sony 16-105, but by looking at some sample images and other reviews, they looks like they are comparable, though the sigma looks slightly softer. The Zeiss 16-80, in my opinion, blows the Sigma out of the water. It really is a fantastic little lens. If you aren't looking for Macro work specifically and you don't require a fast aperture, then the Zeiss 16-80 would be a good lens. The Sigma 24-70 has the drawback of the decreased range, bit the added bonus of a faster aperture and being full frame.

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Re: Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2011, 05:01:49 PM »
I have numerous Sigma lenses and never had a problem. I would not hesitate to buy another one in an instant. BUT...money no objection...(hehe...where is that the case?) then I would opt for the CZ 24-70mm. I have that lens and as Fother says- it's the lens that I use most of the time. It's unfortunatley also the most expensive lens...
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Re: Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2011, 05:27:12 PM »
Yes I think that is what I already knew - The CZ 24-70 would be best - But the cost has to come into it for me.

As I said before I mostly shoot portraits (or pictures of my daughter who is 20 months old now and there is another one on the way in August!) and I would really like to get a full frame A900 sometime.  So as money is a consideration for me, if I waited to save for a CZ then it will be maybe at least 1 year away.  I probably could buy a Sigma 24-70 this summer and then save for a second hand A900 after that.

So possibly in summer 2012 I could have either a CZ 27-70 with my A700 or a Sigma 24-70 with an A900.

What would you aim for getting?

Just to through something else in, what about the Sony SAL 28-75? - Similar price to the Sigma.

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Re: Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2011, 05:39:06 PM »
The specs and reviews look pretty nice on that 28-75. If you haven't already, you can look at some stats and sample images here: http://www.dyxum.com/lenses/detail.asp?IDLens=551. Dyxum also has links to other reviews and tests, so that is one I would do some serious research on.

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Re: Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2011, 07:02:04 PM »
Collwyn,
Have you considered buying a used copy of a lens, (whichever one you prefer) which you could hopefully sell later at a similar price when you can afford/want the Zeiss 24-70. There is a Sony 16-105 on Ebay for 329 pounds for example.
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Re: Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2011, 08:18:07 PM »
Hi Paul,

Yes, just need to decide in what direction I am going.  At that price for a 16-105, I wouldn't lose out if I upgrades again in the future.  I suppose the question is if I go for this lens is - is it much better than the Sigma I have?
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Re: Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2011, 09:09:05 PM »
I often start with Dyxum lens ratings, which suggests that the Sony 16-105 and Sigma 17-70 aren't too different. Despite dyxum lens ratings being subjective rather than scientific, with enough reviews in my opinion it's a good guide/starting point. I do have the 16-105 and am happy with it though f2.8 would be better :) I haven't used any of the other lenses you are considering.
Best of luck making the right decision for you.
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Re: Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2011, 11:04:45 PM »
If you read my lens story in the blog section, then you know that i have gone through a lot of lenses for the Minolta / Sony Alpha AF mount.  In my opinion, the Sony ZA 24-70/2.8 SSM is the most useful lens in this mount.  The Sony Zeiss 135/1.8 produces better pictures, but for most uses, the ZA 24-70 is unbeatable.

As far as being a full frame lens...so?  All lenses produce distortions at their edges.  Using a full frame lens on an aps-c sensor utilizes only the "sweet spot" of the lens, producing pictures that are very sharp from edge to edge and corner to corner.  This is a GOOD thing!

I had to work my way up from mediocre third party lenses to cheap primes to good primes and finally to top quality zooms.  in my opinion, top primes may produce slightly better quality photos, but in most cases, my zooms will match good primes unless you really pixel peek.  My zooms also offer me any focal length I want from 24-200mm (or the equivelent of a full frame 36-300mm).

Again, just my opinion, but I do feel strongly about my two lenses...I have not upgraded (or felt the need to upgrade) in SEVERAL years!
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Re: Sony Zeiss 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 EX DG HSM
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2011, 11:04:45 PM »