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A prime question....
« on: July 16, 2017, 11:18:41 AM »
I am looking at investing in some new ( old Minolta ) primes, and was wondering is it worth getting the 24mm instead of the 28mm?

I still think deep inside, that one day I will move to FF.

Thanks in advance guys.

also thinking about getting a Minolta 100mm f2.8 macro too
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Re: A prime question....
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2017, 05:24:48 PM »
Gordon, I can speak from experience about the 100mm f/2.8 macro. It is an EXCELLENT lens.

GREAT resolving power, EXCELLENT colors, and ZERO distortion.

I've used it as both a landscape AND portrait lens in addition to the macro function and it produces bright, clean, distortion free images.

Now I own the original version of the lens... all metal solid construction. I can't vouch for the RS or Sony versions of the lens.

But the original Minolta 100mm f/2.8 AF lens is a must have in your collection.
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Re: A prime question....
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2017, 05:29:06 PM »
The only lens I initially had for my A7 was the Sony FE 28-70. I soon got interested in a Sony Zeiss FE 24-70. Now I never use the 28-70 and intend to sell it. The difference between 24 and 28mm is small but worth it, IMO. The 24mm is wide, but not wide enough to introduce the extreme distortion that you often see on wider lenses.

My best prime lenses are the Minolta 200mm f2.8 G (white) and the Minolta 300mm f4 G (white). Both very sharp lenses and the 200mm is light enough to actually carry around, not so the 300mm. The worst lens I have, be it prime or zoom, is the Minolta 28mm f2.8. The biggest difference I can see between Minolta and the latest Sony lenses is attributable to the newer coatings, not so much the glass although that probably does also, I just cannot see it unless you go to the G master lenses. Make sure to get a good condition lens. I also have the Minolta 100mm f2.8 macro (D) which is a superb portrait lens. Many Minolta lenses are still comparable with newer lenses and are a fraction of the cost and you can improve them slightly by not using a UV filter and being a bit more careful.

Full frame is certainly the way to go although it is more expensive. However it is the lenses that really break the bank, not the bodies and you have a few FF lenses I believe, so your 75% there.
Sony A7, A850, A77, A700 || Sony>> 70-300G, 28-75 f2.8 SAM, 16-80CZ, 50 f1.4, FE 28-70 OSS, FE 24-70CZ f4 OSS, LA-EA4 || Minolta>> 300 f4 G HS, 200 f2.8 G HS, 100 f2.8 (D) Macro, 50 f1.7, 28 f2.8, 28-135 f4-4.5, 70-210 f4, 500 f8 Reflex, TC x 1.4 HS, TC x 2 HS. || Sigma 21-35 f3.5-4.2. || Tamron SP 24-135.

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Re: A prime question....
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2017, 05:46:05 PM »
AScot you are 100% correct; Minolta lenses... ESPECIALLY the original AF lenses... are an EXCELLENT value for the money.

MOST have superb optical performance and the ONLY drawbacks as it relates to use on modern cameras are the lack of digital anti-reflective coating and the inability to use ADI flash control.

Additionally, the new A99II can't use the Hybrid AF function with MOST of the older Minolta and RS Konica Minolta lenses. But if you can live without these features and you are on a budget, Minolta and KM lenses are an excellent option. 
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Re: A prime question....
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2017, 05:57:44 PM »
Thanks everyone, will have a think between the 24 and 28.

the 100 macro looks pretty good







looks a bargain at £169

at the moment, I have the following primes

Sony 50mm f1.4
Tamron 90mm f2.8
Minolta 135mm f2.8 pocket rocket
Sigma 400mm f5.6
Minolta 500mm mirror
« Last Edit: July 16, 2017, 05:59:40 PM by Gordon McGeachie »
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Re: A prime question....
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2017, 06:51:04 PM »
^^^That's the lens.

It really IS an exceptionally good lens....
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Re: A prime question....
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2017, 09:04:53 PM »
^^^That's the lens.

It really IS an exceptionally good lens....

has some great reviews too..........

http://www.dyxum.com/reviews/lenses/Minolta-AF-100mm-F2.8-Macro_review97.html

might be worth parting with some money for
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Re: A prime question....
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2017, 11:17:39 PM »
For your style of shooting it could definitely come in handy.

You need to be sure to get a good copy... the biggest problem with the 85's is the resin between the elements turning yellow or separating. Or the occasional fungus infestation. But Gordon, the construction is solid and neither the IC nor the gearing should be an issue.

A good copy will last you years and as said before, the image quality is EXCELLENT!
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2017, 11:20:40 PM »
I forgot to mention one thing; because it's a macro lens, it is geared for minute adjustments... consequently when used for anything other than macro work, the AF is glacial. VERY slow. And noisy too.

And if you DO use it for macro work with a flash, you'll probably need to set that flash manually.

But other than those issues, it's a fantastic lens.
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Re: A prime question....
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2017, 06:35:28 AM »
thanks for hat Cholly, how does it compare focussing speed wise to the Tamron 90mm?
A700, VG-C70AM, Sony 50mm f1.4,SAL1870, Sony 70-300mm f4.5-5.6 G SSM, A350,A550,3600HSD, Minolta 135, 500 Reflex, Sigma 10-20,  Tamron 17-50mm f2.8 XR Di-II LD ASP IF, Sigma 400, Tamron 90, ,Nissin Di866 MKII,Interfit 150w 2 head kit, Giottos MTL9351B/MH5011
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Re: A prime question....
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2017, 02:58:13 PM »
Gordon, I've not had the opportunity to use the 90... but I can tell you that it IS pretty slow.

I've never had any serious problems with my copy on ANY of my cameras.. but if you are looking to catch birds in flight forget it for lateral movement starting from zero.

For static shots though... it's GREAT. And noisy. But the images and clean, sharp, clear, and bright.

I think YOU would enjoy it... and use it too.
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Re: A prime question....
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2017, 04:02:18 PM »
You may be able to find a copy of the Tamron cheaper and if you do then you may want to get it as it is supposed to be as good as the Minolta. I personally would go for the Minolta over the Tamron at any price. Focusing speed wise they are both about the same. They are very good for portrait work but they are really designed as close up lenses. The Minolta can get as close as 1:1, is very sharp and does great close-ups. however it is not a speed demon, as it's design precludes that (it has very close gearing to ensure accuracy). As a general purpose lens with 100mm focal length it is fast enough for most types of photography but certainly not birds in flight. If you want the best in portraiture lenses, the Minolta 100mm is second to the Minolta 85mm f1.4 G but at $1000 +/_that lens is for the pros or well heeled.

Sony A7, A850, A77, A700 || Sony>> 70-300G, 28-75 f2.8 SAM, 16-80CZ, 50 f1.4, FE 28-70 OSS, FE 24-70CZ f4 OSS, LA-EA4 || Minolta>> 300 f4 G HS, 200 f2.8 G HS, 100 f2.8 (D) Macro, 50 f1.7, 28 f2.8, 28-135 f4-4.5, 70-210 f4, 500 f8 Reflex, TC x 1.4 HS, TC x 2 HS. || Sigma 21-35 f3.5-4.2. || Tamron SP 24-135.

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Re: A prime question....
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2017, 04:34:43 PM »
I already have the Tamron 90, I was thinking of getting another macro for the times when my wife and I both want to do macro at the same time.

A700, VG-C70AM, Sony 50mm f1.4,SAL1870, Sony 70-300mm f4.5-5.6 G SSM, A350,A550,3600HSD, Minolta 135, 500 Reflex, Sigma 10-20,  Tamron 17-50mm f2.8 XR Di-II LD ASP IF, Sigma 400, Tamron 90, ,Nissin Di866 MKII,Interfit 150w 2 head kit, Giottos MTL9351B/MH5011
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Re: A prime question....
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2017, 05:10:16 PM »
Well, I have certainly been EXTREMELY satisfied with the Minolta 100mm f/2.8 AF original style.

It's literally one of my favorite lenses.

BTW, see if you can get your hands on the original Beercan; the Minolta 70-210mm f/4 AF... another OUTSTANDING lens.

It also gives you exceptional image quality... but is much more susceptible both Chromatic Aberration and flare depending on the light angle. Still, it's VERY sharp, has those Minolta Colors... and since hundreds of thousands of them were made... CHEAP.

It's another GREAT portrait lens.
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Re: A prime question....
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2017, 09:59:35 PM »
I have considered the Beercan a few times, just had a look at the site where I get my second hand stuff from, and they have 3 priced between £79 and £99
A700, VG-C70AM, Sony 50mm f1.4,SAL1870, Sony 70-300mm f4.5-5.6 G SSM, A350,A550,3600HSD, Minolta 135, 500 Reflex, Sigma 10-20,  Tamron 17-50mm f2.8 XR Di-II LD ASP IF, Sigma 400, Tamron 90, ,Nissin Di866 MKII,Interfit 150w 2 head kit, Giottos MTL9351B/MH5011
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