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Offline Asher

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24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« on: October 20, 2008, 10:18:54 AM »
Sony has this lens in the pipe-line, I hope they aren't holding it back for marketing reasons!

http://www.cameralabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6990

If there is one lens I am going to buy soon it would be this.  I met a cousin of my wife's and he has a Canon 40D with the 24-105mm f4 L.   A very nice handling lens.  We were in Belgium for the week and this lens would fill all the gaps in my lens line up.


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Re: 24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2008, 06:51:01 PM »
Any one heard any news on this?

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Re: 24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2008, 09:18:48 PM »
I think this was put up on the forum five or six months ago. So has been in the pipeline for a while now !


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Re: 24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2008, 04:05:50 AM »
I was doing lens comparisons and posted them at this link.  Take a look ... it a real eye-opener.

That KM AF 24-105mm f/3.5-4.5 "D" is just tragic with what I have gotten out of it.  Until I have someone look closer at it ... it is out of action.
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Re: 24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2008, 10:01:32 PM »
Something wrong there.

I have the Minolta 24-105 lens you tested and it's excellent.  I took a few shots of a cat that turns up in our house sometimes.  I took some with my 24-105 and some with my Minolta 50/2.8 macro - and let me tell you, that is definitely sharp sharp sharp.

As I was going through the shots on screen (in full screen mode) I actually couldn't remember or tell which lens I had used for which shots.  Even at 100% pixel peeping I still couldn't tell and eventually worked it out from the EXIF info.

More recently I was fairly sold on getting the SAL 16-80 Z but spent some time (like around an hour) doing some test shoots at the showrooms of Warehouse Express (UK folk will know it).  I tested the SAL 16-80 Z, the SAL 16-105 and the Tamron 17-50 but as a benchmark I also tested the Minolta 24-105.  The results completely surprised me as the 24-105 matched the Zeiss and Tamron and surpassed the 16-105 for sharpness on test objects indoors.  Outdoors there was a difference and the Zeiss was superior but not by a big margin.  It was also slower at pretty much all common focal lengths.  I was all but reaching for my credit card to get the Zeiss when I went in but I left with the Tamron.

I am very much looking forward to the faster SSM G version and can't helping thinking your version of the non-G 24-105 sounds like a dud.

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Re: 24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2008, 10:12:42 PM »
Man, I am with you on that.  I am submitting the lens for repair ... to try and salvage it ... because it is currently last in my list of usable glass... that is, just before the SONY 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 DT Kit lens.

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Re: 24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2008, 05:09:46 AM »
Okay ... it's in the shop for a tweak or two.  Should know a bit more, when they evaluate it for the estimate.

Doggone, 4 lens in the shop ...

Minolta AF 24mm f/2.8 for the common "back focus" problem
Minolta AF 28mm f/2.8 for the same kind of "back focus" problem
KM AF 24-105mm f/3.5-4.5 "D" for overall soft or OOF problem.  Geez-Louise!
SIGMA AF 10-20mm f/3.5-4.5 DC EX for also being "unsharp" at 8 inches and throughout it's range, OOTB ... back in January.  C'mon, how close do you have to get?

Well, that about wraps up this year's tune-up program.  6 lenses, counting the TAMRON SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di LD Aspherical (IF) MACRO and the TAMRON AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical (IF), back in August.  Brand new lenses ... factory sealed.  It just seems wrong, doesn't it?  I treat this stuff like ... well, GLASS!  Out-of-the-box failures!  Where is the Quality Control, I ask?

I submit to you that the manufacturers should just stick a RETURN SHIPPING LABEL in every lens box.  Kind of like an "adjustment" rebate!  On the coupon, they can state:

"Yes, you can have your lens -retweaked-, because our lazy staff cannot seem to take the time to do it right ...
THE FIRST TIME!  We are just in too much of a hurry, blindly producing & shipping product, while raking
in your hard-earned cash and most of all ... wasting YOUR valuable time."


Hey, at least it would be honest, eh?
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Re: 24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2008, 09:49:26 AM »
A serious passing thought Don, if you are having all of these focussing / unsharpness problems with so many different lenses - is there anything up with your camera instead? Has the lens mount got damaged or moved in some way or other, so that he lenses are registering properly perhaps?

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Re: 24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2008, 11:41:00 PM »
Tony, if it were the camera body ... which has recently been repaired for other things and a sensor replacement, ALL of my lens would be failing.  They are NOT!

The TAMRON SP AF 70-200mm f/2.8 Di LD is razor sharp
The TAMRON SP AF 90mm f/2.8 Di LD is likewise
The TAMRON SP AF 180mm f/2.8 Di LD is likewise
The SONY AF 50mm f/1.4 is likewise
The SONY CZ 135mm 1.8 is likewise
The TAMRON SP AF 200-500mm f/5-6.3 Di LD is likewise
The Tokina AT-X 840 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6 (I) is terrific

No ... I am picking up legitimate crap from these other loosely built lenses.  I am a picky $%^&£*@ when it comes to my stuff ... and I have taken them to the repair facility for correction.  The sad part is that they are confirming my findings.  So, I am a little miffed at the QC that we are currently getting from our manufactuers.  In a word, it is "woeful."

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Re: 24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2008, 04:04:13 AM »
My Minolta AF 24mm f/2.8 & AF 28mm f/2.8 PRIMEs have been returned ... and I am $160 lighter, for their repair/adjustment, but they are clean, lubricated and ... most of all ... correctly focusing, as designed.  SPOT ON!  No more back focus issues to speak of.

Unfortunately, the KM AF 24-105mm f/3.5-4.5 "D" has proven to be far more of an issue than they could fix, locally ... so it is being shipped out and evaluated at another level depot.  Goodness knows when it will be back, but I've got that range well covered by my TAMRON selections.

I originally bought the 24-105 as a "walk-around" lens for the A900 ... only problem is ... I never bought the A900.  The economy shot that idea all to pieces.  I would have to "professionally" start shooting to afford it ... and I hate "working" pictures.  Something a bit too dry and humbling in using your "for fun" hobby as a source of INCOME.  I suppose it is a mindset, but still ... work is work ... play is ... fun!  LOL

Anyway, I'm not missing the lens, so to speak, but I am keenly interested in if it will finally perform the way I have been told it could.  We shall see what we shall see ...
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Re: 24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2008, 08:26:39 AM »
Hi Don,

As a matter of interest, where are you sending the KM lenses for repair?

Anyone know of any places in the UK?
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Re: 24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2008, 09:42:38 AM »
See this link for details of the facility in Milton Keynes  (It may only be for cameras, rather than lenses):
http://www.photoclubalpha.com/useful-and-vital-links/uk-ex-minolta-camera-repair-workshop/

also this link:
http://www.photoclubalpha.com/useful-and-vital-links/uk-servicing-and-helpline-information/

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Re: 24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2008, 05:05:43 PM »
I did not ask United Camera where they were sending these ... but, I just got a call, telling me the anticipated repair cost would be $156 and an expected turnaround time of 2 to 3 weeks.

I will call them back and see if they will reveal the secondary-level depot.

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Re: 24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2008, 07:21:22 PM »
Don,

It is indeed regrettable that you have problems with several lenses. Tony asked a relevant question and you replied as naturally expected...you treat your lenses like "glass." I live in fear of damaging cameras and lenses and so far have been fortunate with digital tackle. Forty years ago I dropped a Leica on the marble floor of the Seattle airport..separated the lens elements. I still have it. I also dropped a Minolta SRT 101 about 25 years ago and it had to be retired. (It ended up going to Holland as my wife's cousin had one that need a part.)  I digress.

Obviously you are looking after your gear. I have not read every word of the posts here. Have you discussed this will Sony technical people? Any help there?

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Re: 24-105mm f4 SSM (SAL24105G)
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2008, 09:51:48 PM »
Clive,

My issues really are with the lenses or optics ... not the camera.  I bought my KM AF 24-105mm f/3.5-4.5 "D" from B&H Video, from their "USED" department.  I got a relative good price on it, so I made the move to acquire it.  It is my own fault for trusting it to perform like a new one should.  The thing about this issue is that with the quality of the A700, I almost know immediately whether these lenses are performing properly or not.

I had not gone through all the focus testing on most of my lenses, until recently ... and then they started "falling out."  Back focusing primes, soft focusing 28-75, same with the 24-105.  I won't even address the 28-300 ... even after adjustment, it is woeful.  The 18-250 is a quantum leap over that utility lens.  I highly recommend it as a "one lens solution."

The "film" glass has been pretty dismal, as far as returning sharp digital shots.  It is obviously much older glass ... and I'm not expecting miracles from it, so over time I have replaced most of it.  It really does not get much use.  Sure, it'll serve the newbie who isn't too concerned about precision, yet.  At this point, I'm a little further along with that ... and after experiencing what the CZ 135mm f/1.8 and the TAMRON 70-200mm f/2.8 lenses can turn out ... well, your tolerance begins to wane on the older glass results.  Unfortunately, my current budget does not allow for more expansion, at this point.  At $1500 per optic ... it gobbles up a wallet in short order.

I am going to heal back and watch the economy go through it gyrations ... and hopefully, on the other side, I can upgrade to the serious glass ... and end this constant struggle with having to get things adjusted right out of the factory (OOTB).  The images do not lie ... they tell you the truth ... ugly or no.

AND about that secondary depot ... all I could get, at this point, was that it was a "SONY-Authorized Repair Facility."  I will call, tomorrow, probe this question a bit further, if possible.
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