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Offline winjeel

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"G" lenses should be...
« on: May 19, 2009, 02:43:05 PM »
What is your idea of the minimum specifications of a G lens.

My idea:
- All metal body
- Weather seals
- At least f2.8 minimum
- Designed with excellent bokeh in mind
- Better than any Canikon in its class.
- I have all prototype samples to test (and keep) ;)
- First class customer support, with complimentary bottle of champagne sent to you, if ever your lens needs a service or repair.
- VIP discounts at all hotels world wide.
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Re: "G" lenses should be...
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2009, 02:56:31 PM »
How about...

- Part metal body, but made to feel solid  [even the CZ's are not full metal]
- Weather seals [no Sony lenses are weather sealed]
- At least f2.8 minimum [ don't understand this one.  should a 600mm f4 not be considered G???]
- Designed with excellent bokeh in mind [ this should be a given ]
- Better than any Canikon in its class [ they can try! ]
- I have all prototype samples to test (and keep) ;)  [ getting silly! ;) ]
- First class customer support, with complimentary bottle of champagne sent to you, if ever your lens needs a service or repair.  [ I would be happy if they 'upgraded' their support to what most people would expect was the minimum level]
- VIP discounts at all hotels world wide. [ ha, ha, ha ;) ]

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Re: "G" lenses should be...
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2009, 03:20:03 PM »
I hate to burst your bubble Winjeel, I just acquired the DSC HX-1 with 20X G zoom lens. Excellent quality for the 9mp chip with only some CA at full "560mm" equivalent tele end. The whole package is only $599 CAN. so I don't think you would qualify for VIP status. (The real time panorama feature is very cool.)

BTW, the HDRXR520V camcorder also uses a "G" lens but that is a $1500 CAN camcorder.

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Re: "G" lenses should be...
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2009, 04:06:40 PM »
I want a quality built product that does what it is suppose to do without any issues.
For me that is a lens that feels good in my hands, is sharp, focuses fast and accurately, has good bokeh, is resistant to flare, and has no CA or purple fringing. Speed although nice is not necessary in all lenses as this allows different lenses to be designed for different needs. This is why I love the 70-300G, its does all of the above exceptionally.
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Re: "G" lenses should be...
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2009, 05:01:22 PM »
Will comment on this thread later, the letter G sends shivers down my spine at the moment !


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Re: "G" lenses should be...
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2009, 02:47:47 AM »
I want a quality built product that does what it is suppose to do without any issues.
For me that is a lens that feels good in my hands, is sharp, focuses fast and accurately, has good bokeh, is resistant to flare, and has no CA or purple fringing. Speed although nice is not necessary in all lenses as this allows different lenses to be designed for different needs. This is why I love the 70-300G, its does all of the above exceptionally.

I was just going to say that the 70-300G meets your standard. I would add that it is light enough to be practical. (Read..used without hurting your back.) :D

Will comment on this thread later, the letter G sends shivers down my spine at the moment !
Rob ;-)

That I can understand. ???
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Re: "G" lenses should be...
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2009, 09:13:49 AM »
Will comment on this thread later, the letter G sends shivers down my spine at the moment !

Rob ;-)

I would guess....

G == Grief ???

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Re: "G" lenses should be...
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2009, 01:01:26 PM »
Canon L lenses are a far more class higher than the G lenses an CZ lenses.
All L lenses have weather and dust seals and are from a much higher quality glass,
but they are also a lot more expensive than what Sony has to offer.
The quantity of lenses that Canon has to offer is also let say 4 times bigger than what
Sony is offering. Nevertheless I chose for Sony, I hope I don't get disappointed
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Re: "G" lenses should be...
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2009, 03:56:58 PM »
I know about the weather seal and the range of focal lengths and all that but please don't start the Canon, Nikon, Minolta(Sony), Zeiss glass debate unless you have some top secret revelation. That topic could be a little sensitive.
I have been happy with Minolta for over 20 years after using Canon and Nikon (granted, nothing "exotic" like the L glass). I also am very happy with my 24-70 Zeiss lens and both G lenses. The images feel more "life-like" to me.

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Re: "G" lenses should be...
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2009, 06:44:40 PM »
Canon L lenses are a far more class higher than the G lenses an CZ lenses.
All L lenses have weather and dust seals
nope

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and are from a much higher quality glass,
nope

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but they are also a lot more expensive than what Sony has to offer.
nope (compare a  SAL-300F28G against a Canon EF 300mm f/2.8 L IS USM)

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Re: "G" lenses should be...
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2009, 07:22:53 PM »
"G lenses" should be.....

Given away free to everyone who really can't afford them and would reall use and appreciate them......  ;)

Sorry, I'm feeling frivolous.

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Re: "G" lenses should be...
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2009, 08:22:16 PM »
Canon L lenses are a far more class higher than the G lenses an CZ lenses.
All L lenses have weather and dust seals
nope

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and are from a much higher quality glass,
nope

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but they are also a lot more expensive than what Sony has to offer.
nope (compare a  SAL-300F28G against a Canon EF 300mm f/2.8 L IS USM)


... and that's why there are quite a few Canikon users who have changed lately over to Sony...for the quality of lenses...
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Re: "G" lenses should be...
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2009, 11:37:09 PM »
As far as I am concerned, canikon has never been equal to Minolta glass at given price points until Sony took over.  Suddenly, Minolta legacy glass went through the roof.

For example, the 200/2.8 G and the 300/4 G both sold for about $800 new.  Both crushed the competition at the time.  After Sony took over, they were discontinued and people immediately paid top dollar for the remaining copies.

Also, I have seen several reviews where the 24-70/2.8 SSM ZA has been found to be better than the competition and Michael Hohner's site shows reviews that put the 70-200/2.8 SSM G above the competition.

I have tried the competition.  I like the Minolta interface better and I like their glass better.  Sony has carried on these traits, and even improved them slightly in some respects.

G lenses should be...

Full Frame

Constant aperture that is relatively fast for the focal length

Top glass with good colors, bokeh and sharpness (and well corrected in the edges)

SSM

Built like a tank - mostly metal and rubber with a minimal amount of high quality, rugged plastic (including the sunshade!)

Internal focus and internal zoom (for better weather sealing - like the 70-200/2.8 SSM G)

A 2 year all inclusive warranty

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Re: "G" lenses should be...
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2009, 12:02:00 AM »
Minolta was one of the top companies, once upon a time. They had the best cameras and lenses (Leica aside), at a time when Nikon and Canon were barely heard of. Then this little company called Nikon came out with a totally awesome camera called the F1. The only answer Minolta had was the top quality lenses it had, unfortunately they floundered a bit too long in bringing out a top camera; but they eventually got there.

So, if you had to make a 'standard' to define a G lens, what would this be?
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Re: "G" lenses should be...
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2009, 08:33:20 AM »
Canon L lenses are a far more class higher than the G lenses an CZ lenses.
All L lenses have weather and dust seals and are from a much higher quality glass,


That explains why on most Canon forums there are threads upon threads of people going for Zeiss ZE lenses and adapted CZ Contax lenses. :-)