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Re: "Ethical" question...
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2008, 09:29:42 AM »
i think I have resisted the urges to buy lots glass. I have a range of lenses that cover everything from 11mm to 300mm, ok some of it is not top quality, but if it gets upgraded I will pass on/sell the older stuff. For the photography I do, my most commonly used lenses are the best ones, the others are good enough at the moment.
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Re: "Ethical" question...
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2008, 09:30:23 AM »
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    Stef. has asked a core ethical question current in my photographic life.  Recently went manic on high end lenses starting with the CZ 85 1.4.  I had lusted after that lens for decades in its Minolta form.  It exceeded even my wildest image of what it could do.  It changed my whole concept of how to shoot.  Portraits had not been my strong interest.  Now they are. 
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Sounds like you like the CZ 85 1.4 ;)   Just about to buy one myself - also hoping isn't as good as the reviews.

I haven't sold any lenses yet, as I still seem to use most of them. I do have a few walkabout zooms (17-50, 16-80 & 24-135) but seem to use them in different situations.  I'd be happy to let the 17-50 go, if  (1) I didn't get so much vignette with the Lee system, (2) sale price would be much more expensive then the extra Lee adapters and (3) the CZ was f2.8.
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Re: "Ethical" question...
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2008, 12:57:39 PM »
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Is there a 12 step program for folks in my situation?

LOL!

Welcome Don to the forum! Since I joined this forum I have not only posted extensively but also bought a couple of lenses I would have never bought on my own ;) (Need to blame somebody!)
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2008, 03:16:45 PM »
I look at the 85 and 135 Zeiss and think  NO! NO! I ahve a 70-200 SSM G .....but I still want them :) and the 24-70 Zeiss and the 70-300 G and the 300G....

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Re: "Ethical" question...
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2008, 04:29:20 PM »
I've a minolta DT (rest are legacy 35mm full frame) 18-70 that came with the A100, a 35-80 (I think) power zoom lens, only really works on the Xi as it needs extra mount connections that are on the 7xi for the power zoom, that came my 7xi, a Tokina 70-210, a minolta 35-80 that came with the 8000i, a Centon (f8 on a T2 mounts with adapter) cheapo mirror, which is ok if it's very sunny!, and a 2x convertor.

I recently sold my 18mm Sigma lens on the grounds that the kit 18-70 covers the same wide angle.   Sure when (IF it my wife reads this) I get a A??? full frame camera I may regret it, but to be honest the A100 does all I need for now.  Sure the sigma was a prime but to be honest I'd just end up leaving it at home as the zooms more use.

The power lens is useless unles sold with the 7xi but thats more use than the 8000i as it has a built in flash (the 8000i doesn't) so I can't see that as is and don't want to sell the 7xi as it's better than the 8000i (and I'll get stuff all for it anyway)

Now I'd like a beercan, and I'm looking on fleabay on and off, mainly for the constant f4, in which case I'll ebay the Tokina (Might get £10 for it), and I'd like a non fish eye wide (maybe the Sony 11-18mm or the Sigma 10-20mm) but they are too expensive for me at the moment. 

My main photography is either shots of other hobbies (rather than photography for it's sake alone) or holidays so a expensive lens is not really on, I'd probably damage or lose it (done that with a Dimage Xi, its in Belgium somewhere).

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Re: "Ethical" question...
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2008, 05:17:25 PM »
I have not only posted extensively but also bought a couple of lenses I would have never bought on my own ;) (Need to blame somebody!)
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Just a couple Stef, ???


My main photography is either shots of other hobbies (rather than photography for it's sake alone) or holidays so a expensive lens is not really on.


Youve raised a really good point there gjchester, A Hobby.
Whether you choose to spend £100 or £1000 on a lens as long as You are happy with the results you get, that is all that matters.


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Re: "Ethical" question...
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2008, 06:37:17 PM »
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as long as You are happy with the results you get, that is all that matters.

FULLY agree- beauty or in our case quality lies in the eye of the beholder... (yep- I know I have used that sentence before but it's sooooo true)

We could start another ethical question: what is quality?
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Re: "Ethical" question...
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2008, 08:46:12 PM »
We could start another ethical question: what is quality?
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Quality in the terms of quality of goods or quality of images ???



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Re: "Ethical" question...
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2008, 09:59:57 PM »
Quality of images. What is a good image for you. For me it's this punctum or in other words that it stirrs me. It can be blurred/ bad composition etc. if it does something good for instead of boredom or irritating ;) than it's a good image. I have seen images that were beautifully composed/ full in focus ladiladila...but did nothingand were purely boring for me. I had others out of focus/ blurred/ completely oversaturated or undersaturated/ abstracts...that did a lot for me and that I just enjoy looking at over and over again. (I am not speaking necessarily about my own images but much more about others that I have the pleasure to look at or have to look at due to my job)
In short: I have no real determinants that I could use to qualify or quantify what quality in an image is. Therefore any lens could possibly achieve that (and this was the start of this discussion)
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Re: "Ethical" question...
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2008, 02:13:47 AM »
Obviously, if you "work" your lens, you will begin to define its strengths and shortcomings.  The more lenses you have, the harder this is to do.  I remember, back in the early '80s. when all I had to shoot through was a 28mm f/2.8, 50mm f/1.7, and a 135mm f/4.  There just wasn't a cheap zoom out there, yet.  I did eventually glom on to a 75-300mm when they came out, but fixed focal length was it.  Again, the three lenses were all I had ... plus a 2x T/C.  In other words, they were all great at what they did (Did I have a choice?).

Thing about film shots ... by the time you got them developed, you forgot the settings!  Most of the time, you were just trying to satisfy that hungry little light meter.  The film you used, more often than not, had more to do with the resultant shot than the darn lens did.  As time progressed and I became more diligent in my efforts, I began recording "setting info" on the rolls I took, for understanding bracketing and such.

Those days are coming to an abrupt end, as now, with digital & EXIF data ... you really can determine which lens settings are producing your best results, for review.  You just have to remember which lens you had mounted, when there is "crossover" (using two zooms whose focal lengths overlap).  We all know that a zoom cannot provide f/1.8 or f/2 images, so that's a wash with the primes, but I have nearly a half-dozen lenses that can produce a 50mm @ f/4 shot, so there can be significant "what lens?" confusion, considering that you can get over 1000 shots on your 16GB media.

EDIT - after some thought - I would suppose one way to cleverly identify the lens would be to shoot the lens' focal length extremes, right at the start.  It would only take two frames ... but easily identify it with the resultant EXIF data, as you are paging through your shots.  Just don't erase them. LOL

Another way would be to shoot an initial image of a card or lens bag with a quick lens' description on it, visual identifying the subsequent shots. (END EDIT)

One day, through the magic of advanced thinking (remember the "Mind of Minolta"?), they will encode the "lens identification data" into the shot's information, not just the focal length selected and aperture ... and then the supreme mystery will be solved.  Maybe the new lenses are doing just that, but nothing I've looked at tells me which particular lens I used, yet.  The old A-mount lenses only had five electrical contacts ... the new ones have got eight to make use of with these lenses.  Surely, something is possible.

So ... the search for the best lens at what setting may still be elusive, if you have more than a few.
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Re: "Ethical" question...
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2008, 03:34:54 AM »
Think I have the message: I have a problem.  But, it is so much fun! 

This forum is a good source for keeping it so.  Can't blame the forum for the excess lens problem, though, as many good alternatives (less expensive) are frequently discussed.  The fun stuff has been stimulating me to try long moonlight exposures, infrared filters and shots and the general breadth of discussion.  Good place to admit to a problem.  May even find some answers here, eh?  A generally very knowledgeable, informative, and helpful group of enthusiasts.

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Re: "Ethical" question...
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2008, 07:20:10 AM »
Think I have the message: I have a problem.  But, it is so much fun! 

This forum is a good source for keeping it so.  Can't blame the forum for the excess lens problem, though, as many good alternatives (less expensive) are frequently discussed.  The fun stuff has been stimulating me to try long moonlight exposures, infrared filters and shots and the general breadth of discussion.  Good place to admit to a problem.  May even find some answers here, eh?  A generally very knowledgeable, informative, and helpful group of enthusiasts.

Thanks.

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Gear to hear you're enjoying the forum Don. Can't wait to see some of these experimental pictures!

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Re: "Ethical" question...
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2008, 04:12:54 PM »
As fother says, cant wait to see some of your pics,

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Dont hesitate to ask, as there is always someone that will be willing to give you an answer.

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