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Adobe, no more off the shelf
« on: May 09, 2013, 09:57:22 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22432171

So, not sure if this means Elements will be affected, or Lightroom, but would you be prepared to sub to Adobe for use of processing software, even if it means never having an out of date copy?

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Re: Adobe, no more off the shelf
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2013, 10:24:34 AM »
Carl,

From what I can tell, Lightroom will form part of a subscription. I have not heard anything about Elements other than last months news/rumour it could be rebranded as Photoshop Touch making the Existing Elements and Touch one product.

https://creative.adobe.com/plans?plan=single_app_offer&scid=social7782214&sdid=KFPGE

I am waiting on an email from Adobe, laying out how much more they want me to pay. I already use CC but this latest model is really putting me off.

Due to the worlds financial situation and work beginning to slow down a little last year, I lowered by dependance on Adobe and Microsoft products by moving away from Office and finding an alternative PDF engine. I may subscribe to CC for a year at the reduced rate to see how things go but if they even hint at raising the prices even more I will be cancelling, reinstalling CS6 and then researching alternatives.

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Re: Adobe, no more off the shelf
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2013, 10:35:03 AM »
I thought from what I read that Lightroom would not be part of the creative cloud. But maybe that was just wishful thinking. I don't make money with photography, just a hobby for me. I hope Lightroom is not part of the subscription as it is my go to program now. I will not/can not pay $20 a month for it or photoshop. There are alternatives. I have a couple of friends who do make money from their photography who have never used an Adobe product.

I can see this as opportunity for other photo processing software makers to up their game and grab some of Adobe's market. We will see.
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Re: Adobe, no more off the shelf
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2013, 10:38:17 AM »
Max,

If your a Mac user Aperture is a fairly nice application at a reasonable price.

Free software, GIMP is very good but can be a little hard to get used to. Well worth a go though.


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Re: Adobe, no more off the shelf
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2013, 10:49:36 AM »

Hey Dave,
 
   Nope, I am a PC. :)

  Wish Apple would make Aperture available for pc, but I know that won't happen. I upgraded to CS6 early this year so really I am good to go with photoshop. And really Lightroom is all I really use. I have looked at Gimp before, I may go back to revisit it one day. Really for now I am set, but I guess down the road if I needed to upgrade, I would definitely be looking other directions than Adobe. Who knows, Google may see this as an opportunity. :) :)
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Re: Adobe, no more off the shelf
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2013, 11:17:01 AM »
Apparently Lightroom will still be available as a standalone (boxed or download), as will Elements, although Lightroom will also be available as part of the subscription service
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Re: Adobe, no more off the shelf
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2013, 11:55:16 AM »
From what I understand Lightroom and PSE (and new releases) will continue to be available as standalone products - made available as a download or purchased product. 

I doubt many people will take kindly to a monthly fee.   

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Re: Adobe, no more off the shelf
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2013, 12:46:30 PM »
I was PC all my life until I retired 4 years ago; I moved to MAC on my daughter's recommendation (she's an architect) and bought Aperture. I never regretted the choice - Aperture is updated every month for free! The only downside is that I cannot add text to photos (no big deal) and can't change perspective on buildings . So now I use a wide angle lens and shoot more sidewalk to get the sides of the building almost parallel and then I crop. The a900 and a99 makes this a non issue situation thanks to the amount of pixels... Adobe - which originally copied Aperture  - is no longer on my "buy" list (except for pdf).
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Re: Adobe, no more off the shelf
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2013, 07:47:52 PM »
Adobe's latest money making scheme! Glad I'm a Linux user, Gimp/UFRaw, the price is right :)
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Re: Adobe, no more off the shelf
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2013, 10:32:57 AM »
Here is a good explanation of this insane Adobe plan:

http://photographylife.com/adobe-creative-cloud-fail#more-51427

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Re: Adobe, no more off the shelf
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2013, 11:42:01 AM »
I had a little look last night, I had an email from Adobe which basically sang the praises of the new CC Ecosystem.

Anyhows, I went ahead and setup a Windows 7 virtual machine on my mac, signed up a new 'trial' CC account and started to download trial editions of the software. My observations were not as I expected them to be;

  • The Adobe Application Manager installed blisteringly fast but they would not authenticate my trial CC account.
    I went back and tried again after dinner and it worked fine though.
  • I selected the applications that I would actually use and downloaded / installed them. (PS, ID, AI, AE, BR, AA)
    Now I connect on average between 16-20Mbs and can download / stream HD films via Netflix / LoveFilm etc with no issue and often download CAD/PSD files that run into GB's of size so I was not expecting to have to leave the installer going over night.

    Now I dont know how long it actually took, I started downloading / installing at 2100 BST and when I went to bed at 0100 it was still downloading......
  • This morning, when I opened up PS, it had issues authenticating my Trial CC account and then proceeded to download 676MB's of updates........

Now I dont know if these issues were due to me having a trial account or not. IMO though, allot of people are going to be trying this the same way I have, therefore I would have through that Adobe would have pulled out all the stop's to ensure a smooth and trouble free ride.

I will report back anything further that I find.

Dave


P.S. On a lighter note, the applications, once authenticated seem to work very well as you would expect.
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Re: Adobe, no more off the shelf
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2013, 04:00:54 PM »
Between MS Windows 8 (that is being re-issued in the fall due to backlash) and things like this, it looks like PC developers and software supporters want to kill the PC. (I am being snarky ... ;) )

For a pro photographer $50/month is nothing. But for casual users it's a tad much.

No word on PSE, but if it goes that was I see changes for lots of us casual photographers.

"Mac" is so easy to spell. :)

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Re: Adobe, no more off the shelf
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2013, 09:12:52 PM »
This certainly seems a wrong move by Adobe in regards to the many individual pro, amateur and hobby photographers that presently use Adobe editing software. As Clive has indicated, MS Win8 is having to have a BIG reworking as it isn't... working. I took advantage of the early offer of a Win8 upgrade disk which I installed on an old laptop and I HATE it. Now think it was more along the lines of being taken advantage of!!! Adobe should be looking in that direction at what is happening with Microsoft and Windows 8. If Win8 is the way things will go I will be looking at other operating systems.

I wont be going to the "CC" Circus... and will look elsewhere when the time comes that I "need" to go to another editing software. Using Photoshop CS6 and Lightroom 4 are fine for me at this time and I've found that I really don't do a great deal of editing in Photoshop anyway so do really wonder if I have a true "need" for it; mostly seem to crop or straighten or a bit of levels/curves... that sort of thing. The would have been CS7 hints at being able to take out camera shake but I think I'll just have to make use of a tripod more :)

I've recently been getting emails from On-One (having downloaded some of their 'free' plug-ins) about their photo editing suite so may look in that direction as it seems reasonably priced - as a standalone product or used as plug-ins with Lightroom/Photoshop... More research before deciding.
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Re: Adobe, no more off the shelf
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2013, 09:17:39 PM »
So,
General consensus is rather anti.

For single units, ie, CS6 or whatever it will be known as, it's about £18/$25 per month, with an 18 month turnaround on new full releases, isn't too bad against the standalone. My problem is that each iteration generally offers just one thing that is a must (RAW upgrades) and several that are nice, but not important enough to splash the cash.

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Re: Adobe, no more off the shelf
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2013, 09:27:16 PM »
I just signed the petition "Adobe Systems Incorporated: Eliminate the mandatory "creative cloud" subscription model." on Change.org.

It's important. Will you sign it too? Here's the link:

http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model?share_id=UGXRDETLiU&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

Thanks!
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