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Offline Akshay Jamwal

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Black and white conversion
« on: February 09, 2006, 08:59:27 AM »
How many folks convert their digital images to black and white here? ...and what do you use to do it?

I've been using the channel mixer thus far, but I'm getting tired of what's essentially a glorified 'trial and error' method. I'd like some more control... anyone have any advice on plugins or techniques other than the channel mixer? I can't (or rather, am not inclined to) buy more software like Convert to B/W Pro, money's been a little tight.

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Re: Black and white conversion
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2006, 09:49:53 AM »
Akshay, I still use the channel mixer and have been more than satisfied with the results. Yeah, it does involve a lil trial and error but then that gives me greater control on the final look.

Hmm...if buying is not an option then I'm not sure if there are that many alternatives left.

If you like using PS actions then I can recommend the following site. They have some decent actions for b/w conversion. I dont think I've tried the b/w conversion action yet but some of the other actions I tried gave quite nice results.

http://thelightsrightstudio.com/photoshop-tools.htm

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Re: Black and white conversion
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2006, 10:33:33 AM »
When you use the channel mixer do you copy and paste each colour channel individually in  to a seperate layer that you can adjust in whatever mode you want? i find it is a lot easier and takes the trial and error out a bit.

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Re: Black and white conversion
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2006, 08:41:51 PM »
Recently I've been using the 'saturation' slider in RawShooter Essential (free stnad alone RAW converter).  Works for me:



I like B&W conversions, here I have a series of B&W panoramic crops:
http://id.vividoptic.com/

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Re: Black and white conversion
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2006, 10:59:47 PM »
I use Channel Mixer also, with good results. You can always touch it up later using other tools. If I really feel ambitious I convert it to LAB mode and use curves etc.

One decent free plug-in, which includes a B/W function with variables is 'Virtual Photographer'. It's available here and certainly worth a try.

http://www.optikvervelabs.com/
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Re: Black and white conversion
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2006, 05:58:23 AM »
Thanks for the links and tips, folks.
Re: "When you use the channel mixer do you copy and paste each colour channel individually in  to a seperate layer that you can adjust in whatever mode you want? i find it is a lot easier and takes the trial and error out a bit."

No, I don't... interesting. Will try that right now.

Checking the links out now. Will also try messing with the ACR saturation slider.
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Re: Black and white conversion
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2006, 05:31:22 PM »
I am sure I am not stating any thing new. But since I use elements and not CS2, I do not have the channel mixer(or if I do, I have never seen it).

I use what is called the film and filter technique. I open two separate layers of hue/saturation. The first, I set the style to color, and label it filter. The second, I label film, and set the saturation slider all the way to the left. I then reopen the filter layer, and use the hue slider. As you slide left or right, you get different effects. Watching the bottom of the box, you can see what color filter you are applying. I then may also open a contrast layer and a levels layer for fine tuning.

But I also have theimagefactory's plug in B&W Pro3, I am very happy with that.

dcap, love your conversions. Very inspiring :)
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Re: Black and white conversion
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2006, 06:50:20 PM »
Whoa, dcap. Somehow missed the link you posted.

Great stuff. "Weather" was very inspiring. Zone 1 to 10 in one image :).
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Re: Black and white conversion
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2006, 09:44:36 PM »
Whoa, dcap. Somehow missed the link you posted.

Great stuff. "Weather" was very inspiring. Zone 1 to 10 in one image :).

This one:

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Re: Black and white conversion
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2006, 05:07:42 PM »
I am sure I am not stating any thing new. But since I use elements and not CS2, I do not have the channel mixer(or if I do, I have never seen it).

I use what is called the film and filter technique. I open two separate layers of hue/saturation. The first, I set the style to color, and label it filter. The second, I label film, and set the saturation slider all the way to the left. I then reopen the filter layer, and use the hue slider. As you slide left or right, you get different effects. Watching the bottom of the box, you can see what color filter you are applying. I then may also open a contrast layer and a levels layer for fine tuning.

But I also have theimagefactory's plug in B&W Pro3, I am very happy with that.

dcap, love your conversions. Very inspiring :)

Thanks for that tip.

Y'know, this forum is great for getting people to splurge. I think I might just buy Convert to B&W Pro or some such plugin.
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Re: Black and white conversion
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2006, 05:09:23 PM »
Oh and yes, dcap. That one. Excellent B&W conversion. I don't think I'd even like to see that in colour, the tonal variation is ideal for B&W representation IMO.
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Re: Black and white conversion
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2006, 07:02:52 PM »
It does tend to encourage you to go ahead and spend a little extra. :D

The plug in I mention of course can be used of a trial basis. Before you spend the money.
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Re: Black and white conversion
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2006, 12:04:26 PM »
By far and away, IMO, the best B&W conversion I have seen is this here: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15457403 said thread has a PS action included. Example on one of my shots :

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