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Title: "Is there life after Photoshop"
Post by: Frank [aka Wires] on September 22, 2013, 11:09:55 AM
I don't recall seeing this posted on the forum;

BBC News; Is there life after Photoshop? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23714699#!)

I found it quite interesting in the mention of other editing software...
Title: Re: "Is there life after Photoshop"
Post by: rannari on September 22, 2013, 06:32:49 PM
I belong to the group who is using something else than Photoshop. Often much more intuitive and innovative than Photoshop ...

kurt
Title: Re: "Is there life after Photoshop"
Post by: chappo1 on September 22, 2013, 11:48:41 PM
Thanks Frank, an interesting read and something to have a look at ...john
Title: Re: "Is there life after Photoshop"
Post by: vaughaag on September 23, 2013, 12:45:43 AM
Photoshop has been around for years in many forms http://petapixel.com/2013/09/12/marked-photographs-show-iconic-prints-edited-darkroom/

I do not see a problem with Photoshop, we can all tell when a picture has been overworked, underworked or edited in a way to portray something that either did not exist or did not happen at that particular moment.

I personally think that Photoshop or to be more blunt, any editing package has its place in modern photography and I am sure that new in camera processes will become more common practice in years to come.

Rgds,
Dave
Title: Re: "Is there life after Photoshop"
Post by: Stef. on September 24, 2013, 10:24:15 PM
Some of the problems with quite a few of the mentioned programs in the above article is that you need to be either online or it is a plugin...which means for photoshop or an app.

If I weren't so invested in Photoshop in terms of time invested and knowledge I would sincerely try and find my way around either Corel or Gimp. For me it is a no brainer as I do most of my stuff in Photoshop "blind". I am so familiar with that program that everthing else would be a learning curve that I am not prepared to invest.

Nevertheless, on should not forget that there is Adobe Elements out there which is not a subscription and it does pretty much what the full version does or at least there is always a way how to get close.
Stef.
Title: Re: "Is there life after Photoshop"
Post by: Mr Ed on September 26, 2013, 05:05:50 AM
Yes!

Photoshop has been around for 20+ years and it's showing it's age.  Hardware is vastly faster and the library base used to write  code is becoming very high  level - meaning easier to provide the underlying PS functions.  Ninety five percent of PS is no longer rocket science. We are seeing many apps doing unmask sharpening etc be it found in Apple or Android app/libraries/stores.

PS has an evolved command  structure that is awkward at best and based in the early 90's. The channels are a mess.  The learning curve is steep and this I believe help protect Adobe until now.  It's a fallacy to think the students using unpaid copies are hurting Adobe as they don't purchase the overpriced product.  Professionals do the purchasing -  mostly.

I dropped Windows a few years back.  I am a Linux user now (and its derivative Android )  I have 35 years writing software professionally under my belt.

I am getting to know GIMP and it's much like PS with a different user interface. It's free.  I run Ubuntu and it's faster and better than Windoz too. No viruses either in Linux/Ubuntu either but people keep buying the slow virus prone code bloat that is Windows. I am a basic PS user.  Some nicer plug-ins would be nice but it's fine after the shock of changing over.

Adobe is in trouble and knows it.  Nobody leases software except for ultra high end apps. It's a way to try to get customers to hang  on a bit longer and not hit a steep learning curve . Apps are going to make PS redundant  in 5 years or less.

PS has had a good run.  You might as well switch now.  Get Ubuntu and when comfortable go with GIMP or whatever else you like.
Title: Re: "Is there life after Photoshop"
Post by: vaughaag on September 26, 2013, 06:06:38 AM
PS has had a good run.  You might as well switch now.  Get Ubuntu and when comfortable go with GIMP or whatever else you like.

Without wanting to go too off topic, I use Linux at home and at work. Linux for me personally is a superb OS but we all need to be careful when suggesting a move from Windows/Mac to Linux or any other platform.

I spent a good number of hours last month reinstalling Windows and recovering files on my parents next door neighbours PC after a guy at work had told him that Ubuntu or Linux in general would save him having to annually renew his anti virus subscription. Being a computer novice, allot of his work, picture etc was lost during the install.

Viruses, Trojans, Malware all exist across all platforms, Windows, Mac and Linux and all platforms have their pros and cons. Anyone thinking of migrating from what they have known for years to something new should research what they are doing before jumping into the fire.

Rgds,
Dave

Title: Re: "Is there life after Photoshop"
Post by: doctorwho on September 26, 2013, 10:30:27 AM
Not sure the article is really that useful. Free editors can offer add ons, at extra cost. Photoshop has its own budget item, elements and as for the subscription cost, £18 per month, with let's say the boxed CS being revised every 18 months at £700, bargain.
Title: Re: "Is there life after Photoshop"
Post by: marc pk on September 26, 2013, 11:11:08 AM
I find it strange that photographers use Photoshop... Lightroom or Aperture, Yes, but not Photoshop. Now, if you work in the graphic arts and or architectural domain, yes Photoshop is a must.
By the way, I recommend a very good internet site called AperturevsLightroom.com, which does regular comparative analysis of the two (this week's subject is the cloud services offered by Adobe and Apple).
Title: Re: "Is there life after Photoshop"
Post by: OldClicker on September 26, 2013, 02:15:26 PM
I find it strange that photographers use Photoshop... Lightroom or Aperture, Yes, but not Photoshop. Now, if you work in the graphic arts and or architectural domain, yes Photoshop is a must.
By the way, I recommend a very good internet site called AperturevsLightroom.com, which does regular comparative analysis of the two (this week's subject is the cloud services offered by Adobe and Apple).

Cloning in Lightroom is still a dissaster.  Also, no layers with masking. - Terry
Title: Re: "Is there life after Photoshop"
Post by: Faldrax on September 26, 2013, 02:44:37 PM
Cloning in Lightroom is still a dissaster.  Also, no layers with masking. - Terry

Which is why I have a copy of PSE installed.

99% of what I want LR does (and very well, despite my being forced to stick with v3.6 to allow me to run the 2nd copy on my XP laptop (need to be XP for other s/w that will not run on W7). On the few occasions I want more than just dust bunny removal from cloning, or want to try masking / layers, I can export to PSE very easily.
Title: Re: "Is there life after Photoshop"
Post by: vaughaag on September 26, 2013, 07:05:10 PM
I find it strange that photographers use Photoshop... Lightroom or Aperture, Yes, but not Photoshop. Now, if you work in the graphic arts and or architectural domain, yes Photoshop is a must.
By the way, I recommend a very good internet site called AperturevsLightroom.com, which does regular comparative analysis of the two (this week's subject is the cloud services offered by Adobe and Apple).

As well as cloning, Photoshop has a better feature set, greater raw and channel control and offers a wider range of outputs. I dont know whether it is still the case but Lightroom used to have a smaller canvas size limit than Photoshop which was a big negative for commercial photographers.

I use Lightroom for quick edits at weddings etc to display some of the pictures but still feel Photoshop has the edge when it comes to editing on scale.
Title: Re: "Is there life after Photoshop"
Post by: Rick on September 26, 2013, 11:46:20 PM
 Lightroom has improved immensely the latest 5.2 for me has addressed quite a few issues, for general image correction and manipulation it works really well add a few plugins such as portraiture, portrait professional studio, and the slrlounge preset system really make a difference I use shootproof for my clients and I can upload directly from lightroom so this is my core importing backing up and exporting system, and it is non destructive the original image is still original
 BUT I have tried many programs including gimp aperture and most of the windows based editors and when an image just needs that bit more or to build a composite, add a new dimension great text effects photoshop is my go to program every shoot a few images will be sent from lightroom too photoshop just because of the added flexibility and features and then returned to lightroom as part of the process,
 I am not saying that other programs can obtain the same results but the interaction and workflow just seems to me to be more intuitive and the key is learning the shortcuts investing the time in understanding how it works,
 This said choice is always good as is being comfortable in the program you choose to use

Title: Re: "Is there life after Photoshop"
Post by: Mr Ed on September 27, 2013, 01:04:11 AM
PS has had a good run.  You might as well switch now.  Get Ubuntu and when comfortable go with GIMP or whatever else you like.

Without wanting to go too off topic, I use Linux at home and at work. Linux for me personally is a superb OS but we all need to be careful when suggesting a move from Windows/Mac to Linux or any other platform.

I spent a good number of hours last month reinstalling Windows and recovering files on my parents next door neighbours PC after a guy at work had told him that Ubuntu or Linux in general would save him having to annually renew his anti virus subscription. Being a computer novice, allot of his work, picture etc was lost during the install.

Viruses, Trojans, Malware all exist across all platforms, Windows, Mac and Linux and all platforms have their pros and cons. Anyone thinking of migrating from what they have known for years to something new should research what they are doing before jumping into the fire.

Rgds,
Dave
Well,  backups are important and maybe Linux is not for noobs.  It's real tough to get a true virus in Linux unless you  download code from untrustworthy sources. I have many more issues with Win than Linux. 

The point is there are excellent alternatives out there for image processing.  Apple has lead with graphics since day 1 thanks to Jobs's typography classes. There's good reasoning why Google uses Linux base for Android distributions. It just works.